January 25, 2022 9:07 pm at 9:07 pm #2054679
How are select buses allowed to enforce fare proof once you get off the bus? It’s one thing for them to check when you are on the bus but are you obligated to stop and provide a receipt on request once you get off the bus? Don’t people have things to do without stopping for inspectors once they are off the bus? What is the law concerning that can someone just walk away? What if they misplaced their ticket or left it on the bus once you aren’t there anymore how can they lawfully stop you and ticket you?January 25, 2022 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #2054699amomParticipant
I never heard of that.
The only time I needed fare proof is if I paid with coins and then needed a transfer to a different busJanuary 26, 2022 12:31 am at 12:31 am #2054725
The select busses which you have to purchase a fare ticket from the machines at the bus stop before you board. You are obligated to keep the receipt as proof. Sometimes they check on the bus but many times they(MTA inspectors) wait at the bus stop and ask random people to show the receipt when they de-board the bus. Why does someone need to take from their time to show proof? Once they are off the bus they are off so they arent catching you riding the bus for free you arent on the bus anymore arent you just free to go about your day? Apparently they interrogate people and give fine and court summons to those who dont have the receipt. What if you lost the receipt or whatever other reason?
Doesnt it work on the LIRR in a way that if you dont have a receipt for fare you just get off at the next stop? How can they fine you on the spot just for not having the bus fare receipt? Especially to wait after you leave the bus is that even legal? Are you obligated to cooperate?January 26, 2022 1:55 am at 1:55 am #2054771
RW: Where have you ever heard that they stop people who already got off the bus and are on the public street?January 26, 2022 1:56 am at 1:56 am #2054769
RW, maybe you are still on their property? But sounds like a good observation to avoid moris ayn and be careful about carrying a ticket till the end. This is, after all, probably not just a private company but is subsidized by the government, aka our taxes. Shmuel’s father was careful to keep orphans’ money in a hiding place as a middle layer between two of his own money – top for the thieves and bottom for water damage.January 26, 2022 8:28 am at 8:28 am #2054800🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
welcome to crazy townJanuary 26, 2022 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #2054879jackkParticipant
The purpose of the select bus service is to improve bus speed and reliability, as well as enhance the customer experience, by having customers pay for tickets prior to boarding.
This allows the customer to enter any of the bus doors and also removes the slow wait for customers to pay while boarding.
To show your ticket to the bus inspector on the way out of the bus is a small inconvenience compared to the time saved.
Regarding the legality, your questions are good and you can ask a lawyer.January 26, 2022 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #2054886pekakParticipant
Before the “Rav Kav” became the only way to pay to ride a bus in Israel, you got a receipt that said clearly you need to hold onto it for inspection. Inspectors still have a right to check your Rav Kav to see if you paid.
I’ve never used SBS, but I would imagine it says on the ticket that you need to hold onto it for inspection.
Grow up.January 26, 2022 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #2054911
Ujm I have seen groups of them standing at big intersection bus stops and also heard from a friend who was stopped after they got off the bus.
I wonder if by law you have to comply once you are off the bus because most feel they have to and they get interrogated. The question is also even if they check for proof on the bus how are they allowed to ticket you without giving you an option to get off at the next stop? Its possible that you lost your ticket or threw it out or whatever.January 26, 2022 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #2054931hujuParticipant
To rightwriter: You cannot call yourself rightspeller until you learn the differences between “busses” and “buses”. The former means two or more kisses, the latter means two or more motor vehicles capable of carrying many passengers.January 26, 2022 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #2054957
huju: busses is a valid variant spelling of buses. In fact, until the 1960s, busses was the default spelling in the dictionary.January 26, 2022 2:05 pm at 2:05 pm #2055029
Lol when did I call myself rightspeller? And ujm beat me to itJanuary 26, 2022 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm #2055059
“To show your ticket to the bus inspector on the way out of the bus is a small inconvenience compared to the time saved.”
Ya well you know what else jack? Is it also a small price to pay when you are running to catch your bus and make it but the driver won’t open the door and pulls away since you have to spend another 10 seconds getting a receipt from the machine?
Also the receipt is valid apparently for 2 hours so say you got the receipt already on you and running to the bus, the driver won’t open the door usually since they think you are hopping on without paying because they didn’t see you go to the machine. So there are other issues with this system than just the “time it saves everyone”.January 26, 2022 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #2055075Reb EliezerParticipant
In my time, I got a transfer to another bus which I would not get if not paid or the bus card has the payment on it, so the transfer was not required.January 26, 2022 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #2055188charliehallParticipant
“Where have you ever heard that they stop people who already got off the bus and are on the public street?”
I have personally had an NYPD officer demand to see my proof of payment after disembarking from the bus. I didn’t mind; I despise the fare evaders.January 26, 2022 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #2055227
Charlie Hall how does you showing the NYPD officer your receipt stop the fare evaders? If anything you wasted his time showing your proof of payment while the fare evaders happily walked away!January 27, 2022 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #2055664
RW > Charlie Hall how does you showing the NYPD officer your receipt stop the fare evaders?
If police were to stop a shady person, the other evaders would say – I do not look as shady as him.
But now evaders saw that NYPD can stop even a person in an impeccable suit and beard, so they got scared. Deterrence effect. NYPD knows that.January 27, 2022 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #2055667☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Charlie Hall how does you showing the NYPD officer your receipt stop the fare evaders?
Do you think they have roach hakodesh to know who the fare evaders are?January 28, 2022 12:24 am at 12:24 am #2055671
AAQ: Is that also why TSA agents do a patdown and hand search on little old ladies at the airport while letting the Arab guys go through unmolested?January 29, 2022 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #2055904
ujm, probably! While I am not aware of purposefully unchecked Arabs, it would be an easily exploited vulnerability to have some category of passengers unchecked. One of the British Arabs in the 80s, I think, exploited his pregnant Irish girlfriend. He gave her some long excuse why they need to travel separately to E’Y to meet there to get married, and put a timed bomb into her luggage on London-Tel-Aviv flight. She behaved totally not suspicious because she was not aware of anything. Somehow, her story sounded weird to the British security officer despite checking her things a couple of times.
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