Oak of Mamre and other Torah Sites
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August 4, 2022 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #2112095
Avraham Avinu’s Tree?
Do we really know the grave site of Tziporrah, Yitro. Aharon Hakohen, Yehoshua? Mordecai and Ester?August 4, 2022 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #2112182
Lot’s wife? Gilgal? Shlomo Hamelech beams marking the Yam Suf crossing? Noach Teva in Turkey? Kever David? Are the ones we know as presently, authentic?August 4, 2022 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #2112221ujmParticipant
rightwriter: Why would you doubt it?August 4, 2022 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #2112223GadolhadorahParticipant
Are you contemplating a new tour of kivrei tzadikim for those who had to cancel their plans to visit Uman next month??August 4, 2022 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2112246
Ujm doubting what? If you mean everything ive mentioned, there is conflicting informationAugust 4, 2022 7:05 pm at 7:05 pm #2112249AviraDeArahParticipant
ujm, most of the discoveries mentioned above, i do not believe were made by yidden. Persian Jews for millenia have davened by the kever of mordechai and esther.August 4, 2022 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #2112262ujmParticipant
Wasn’t it the Ari HaKodesh ZT”L who identified most of the ancient kevorim in Eretz Yisroel?August 4, 2022 8:47 pm at 8:47 pm #2112298
Isn’t there also a site of Mordecai and Ester in Israel? So which one is it Iran or Israel?
And the Oak of Mamre is that really the tree of Avraham Avinu? A little Google research revealed that some tzadikkim had people point it out to them on location.August 4, 2022 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #2112319yungermanSParticipant
Mordechai and Esther today are still currently buried in Iran with the government allowing visitors to the site.
Just in the last decade they have recently been trying to bring their kevorim to Israel with no Success. Hashem will decide when they should be brought to Israel.
May we all do Teshuva very soon so we can all greet Mordechai and Esther live and well together with MashiachAugust 4, 2022 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #2112324
>>>Mordechai and Esther today are still currently buried in Iran with the government allowing visitors to the site.
I’m not saying they aren’t but Mordechai is mentioned in Gemara Menochos as having been in Eretz Yisroel after the second Beis Hamkidash was built. Why would he have gone back to Iran/Persia afterwards? (I can think of many possible reasons but still I question if it is so clear that he actually did)
>>>Just in the last decade they have recently been trying to bring their kevorim to Israel with no Success.
Even for the purpose of bringing them to Eretz Yisroel who would possibly take it on his responsibility to dig up their kevarim?August 4, 2022 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #2112325
>>>Lot’s wife? Gilgal? Shlomo Hamelech beams marking the Yam Suf crossing? Noach Teva in Turkey? Kever David?
No one visits Naoch’s teaiva but there is an explicit posuk saying that it landed on Mount Ararat so yes it’s location is known. Whether it is still there today is debatableAugust 4, 2022 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #2112328
>>>Do we really know the grave site of Tziporrah, Yitro. Aharon Hakohen, Yehoshua?
Explicit posuk that Ahron was buried in Har Hahor in what is now Jordan. Where in Jordan is Har Hahor is not clearly known but the MUSLIM tradition that he was buried where he is believed to by some to have been buried is over 700 years old.
The posuk says that Yehoshua was buried in Timnath-serach but it is unclear where that city is today, let alone where in the city Yehoshua was buriedAugust 4, 2022 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #2112334
Yungerman there is a site in Israel that claims to be burial place of Mordecai and Ester somewhere in the Galil I think.August 4, 2022 10:36 pm at 10:36 pm #2112336Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Who knows the Israeli tour guide who pointed tourists to the kever of Shmuel when someone noted that he already pointed to his kever a day before! The guide replied that that was Shmuel Alef, and this is Shmuel Beit!
Currently Azeri Bayraktars are flying looking for Armenian rebels, maybe they’ll find the teva, hope they do not bomb it!
It was customary to temporarily bury bodies in Bavel and after a year to carry bones to Eretz Isroel. Why not for Mordechai and Esther? Maybe Mordechai was buried in Persia due to his government status, similarly to Yosef?! edited
Is there also a Muslim tradition of Yonah’s kever in Mosul (destroyed by ISIS).August 4, 2022 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #2112346
Smerel I also heard someone mention Mordecai went to Israel and was part of Sanhedrin or something. Idk if before or after. But again there is a claim that they are buried in Israel.
As far as the ark there have been a few discoveries I think underground and also one that is in form of stone outlining an ark in turkey but I think it was cited that it was built as a remembrance of the ark. You can see pictures and videos of it.
Btw what’s with the Beis Hamikdash Should built in Brazil? Huge structure.August 4, 2022 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #2112348commonsaychelParticipant
Don’t ruin the tourism business for telling the gulliable tourist a bunch of drivel, like the kever of Moshe or Bilham donkeyAugust 4, 2022 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #2112361Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Mazel tov, looks like we got a new editor – now defending Israeli secular schools and Persian monarchs. higher standards for 9th of Av? I respectfully submit. Or maybe my writing is getting even more obscure.August 5, 2022 12:55 am at 12:55 am #2112385Menachem ShmeiParticipant
common saychel, lol!
I hear that some tour guides even point out the burial place for the cows in Pharaoh’s dream!August 9, 2022 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #2113686
smerel”Explicit posuk that Ahron was buried in Har Hahor in what is now Jordan. Where in Jordan is Har Hahor is not clearly known but the MUSLIM tradition that he was buried where he is believed to by some to have been buried is over 700 years old. ”
but 700 years leaves a big gap from 3000 years ago. On what basis did they determine that its the authentic site?
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