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A few things…
First, I highly doubt he “didn’t know.”
Second, I think he’s smart to distance himself and even sacrifice the family relation by not protecting her (any longer?).
Third, of course the timing of this breaking in the news is orchestrated. Maybe, however, it’s something he should have looked into before. Everyone knows the dirt comes out for presidential candidates…..
L-I-A-R!
An Aunt (fathers sister) is a distant relative!?
He brought this aunt to his 2005 Senate inauguration, AFTER a Judge ordered her deported in 2004.
Joseph:
My great-grandfather had information that we don’t know about.
gmab, ich farshtay nisht
Joseph:
My grandfather was EXTREMELY close with his father, whom I mentioned before, and yet my family knows NOTING of my great-grandfather’s family before WWII. My point is that you can not know something about your close family.
BHO wrote about this Aunt that he suddenly suffering from amnesia about, in his book Dreams From My Father.
BTW does this mean that Obama is defiantly President????
jospeh: you are assuming he actually wrote the book! many linguists are saying there isnt a snowballs chance he wrote both books, at least not only by himself. his 2 memoirs are clearly written by two people. he gave information, and they concocted stories to fit in nicely. (though his memory loss should bring into question hes age of 47. if he is losing his memory at that age, can you imagine 4 years from now. early onset alzheimers is a nasty disease, he should be checked for it. it could explain how the middle class keeps on switching from 200, to 150, 97 thousand. he could be going back to his teen years when 97 thou was alot of money.)
noitallmr: i think you meant definitely. but yes, hell be a defiant president. defiant to thw will of the people to live in a democracy, and not a socialist state.
Yes, she is a distant relative, because she’s not his father’s sister, she’s his father’s HALF-sister. Keep in mind that Muslims tend to have large families (his father’s family is Muslim.) Obama has had very little contact with his father’s family, having been raised by his mother and maternal grandparents.
Actually, she was at his Senate swearing-in in 2004, not 2005. I don’t know what month it was, so I can’t vouch for the timing of whether it was before or after her residency request was denied. In any case, she attended independently; he did not “bring her.” She called him two years ago to let him know she was in Boston, but he did not see her there. That was the last contact the two of them had.
jf02,
A fathers sister (1/2, 3/4, or whole) is close.
He was elected in Nov. ’04, and was sworn into the Senate in Jan. ’05.
He personally brought his dear Aunt to his swearing in.
Joseph:
Did you read my post?
gmab, yes.
jewishfeminist02:it was after her rejection of a visa that HE brought her to his swearing in. not only that, but he absolutely knew his aunt was an illegal, and took money from her for his campaign, which is illegal! he only gave the money back after she bragged about giving him money. his entire campaign stinks to high heaven.
“He absolutely knew his aunt was an illegal”. You state this as if it were undeniable fact. Where’s the proof?
She gave his campaign a total of $260 in $5 increments. How much difference do you think that made for him? Would it have been worth the risk to accept such a small amount of money if he in fact had known that she was not a legal resident and could not legally donate to his campaign? And why would she “brag” about giving him money, again knowing that she was under risk of discovery for illegal activities?
“His entire campaign stinks to high heaven.” Not sure exactly what this is supposed to mean. But this is just an example of the McCain campaign running out of actual things to criticize about Obama’s political positions. Family should never be dragged into politics.
BHO has been caught taking foreign donations numerous times.
Examples, please?
Obama’s Foreign Donors: The media averts its eyes
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/obamas_donor_contributions_sil.html
Fictitious Donors Found in Obama Finance Records
Joseph,
Why do you waste your time and energy debating these narrow-minded, self-hating Jewish liberals?
They are so blinded, that nothing you say or do will alter their goal of electing a lying, cheating, arab as president.
I just hope that when Hussein’s (yes, that’s his name) “Civilian Army” aka the SS, comes for the Jews, they go for the self-hating liberals first.
Maybe, just maybe, then they will realize that all they had to do was open their eyes.
eliezer,
You are probably correct.
eliezer, are you really wishing for the “Obama’s SS” to attack those Jews with him you disagree?
anon for this, CH”V, absolutely not.
My biggest hope is that this arab does not get elected, and is therefore never given a chance to put together his “civilian army.”
But if it does happen, CH”V, then those liberals who voted him in should get their just rewards before those who called it…
Don’t you think that’s only fair?
Eliezer, you call us liberals “narrow-minded”, yet it is you who are narrow-minded when you refuse to see us as individuals and stereotype us as “self-hating”. Barack Hussein Obama (for the last time, what difference does it make what his name is?) couldn’t be further from your description of him as a “lying, cheating Arab.” Maybe if you took the time to educate yourself, you would know that. My eyes are wide open, and I can clearly see that Obama is a friend of Eretz Yisroel and of the Jewish people, not an enemy.
Alles iz in der hent fun der Aibershter.
jewishfeminist- if your eyes are open wide, I think you need glasses- thick ones.
if Obama is such a friend of the Jews and Israel, why did so many of American people living in Lebanon vote for OBAMA? The Lebanese HATE Jews and Israel, so of course they would be supporting the candidate that hates Israel.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend….
GMAB, translate please?
jewishfeminist02, then all I can say is that not only is your feminism a severe spiritual disablity, but you also, sadly, must be blind and deaf.
If anything, you are the narrow-minded one.
I really feel badly for you.
I have followed Hussein’s (why shouldn’t we call him by his name?? do you think the name Hussein has some negative connotations??), journy, and have watched him hoodwink and smile his way to where he is today, all the while being a lying arab.
He’s a nobody with no history and no experience…a terrorist-loving, Jew hating arab, who has you so fooled it’s laughable. Remember, “Eisav Sonei L’Yaakov Din Hu.” There’s no getting around his hatred for Yidden – no matter how much he smiles and kisses up to the Jewish liberals.
He’s the ultimate posterboy for “Boy, if you’re halfway goodlooking, can speak clearly, and have a lot of money, you can run for president.”
Video’s and stories of his past shenanigans have been mostly covered up by the media who endorsed him.
He’s so fake that sometimes I can’t tell if he’s a mannequin or a real person. He says exactly what should be said, at exactly the right moment, to exactly the right audience – and will change his tune, to fit exactly a different audience.
You’ve been duped.
eliezer
hes the best politician ive ever seen
he was obviously designed by the Abishter for some very important purpose. lets hope it has something to do with the coming of Moshiach, bimhayra, today.
Feivel,
I couldn’t agree more.
Well said.
Feminist
i have to agree with you this time. you are very openminded, no question.
i, and many here that disagree with you, are narrow-minded, to this i admit.
i am interested in the Emes of the Ribbono Shel Olam, the One who Created you and me…..and i am interested in nothing else!
you though, obviously like to get your ideas from all peoples and cultures and then choose from that, what you personally feel is worthwhile. this is quite to be admired by the peoples of the nations of the world. im sure you are very proud of this, just as you expressed much pride in your mother’s red wardrobe.
Feivel,
Evreybody is intrested in the “Emes of the ribono shel olam”,
you dont KNOW that your mehalach is right anymore then Feminist knows hers is right
the only diffrence is that in any debate based purely on torah AND LOGIC her mehalach would almost definetly win.
I am so angry I will not respond to your comment for fear of what I might write. I have only one thing to say to you: leave my mother out of this.
feminist02, Get a grip. You dragged your poor mother and her red dresses into this forum.
Excuse me, I did not “drag” anything into this forum. I shared what I thought at the time was a humorous anecdote, never dreaming that it would provoke this storm of criticism. And by the way, I didn’t post it in this thread, nor another thread where the subject has again been raised.
It’s fine that some people here choose not to wear red, but to attack me and my mother for our lifestyle is unacceptable. Furthermore, it has now become an stock answer in threads outside of the one where I originally posted the story for users to disagree with me by saying “well, who cares what she thinks, her mother wears red” rather than addressing my actual points.
“It’s fine that some people here choose not to wear red, but to attack me and my mother for our lifestyle is unacceptable.”
Then don’t bring your unacceptable lifestyle to a people steeped in Torah, who find this an abomination.
Back to the original topic, how could Obama have not known about his aunt if he invited her to his senate swearing in after she got her deportation order? jf02, if your aunt got deported wouldn’t you find out?!
And by the way, jf02, your only ally in this debate, gmab, openly supports
KILLING CHILDREN, KINEGAD DAAS TORAH!!!
Back to the original topic, how could Obama have not known about his aunt if he invited her to his senate swearing in after she got her deportation order? jf02, if your aunt got deported wouldn’t you find out?!
And by the way, jf02, your only ally in this debate, gmab, openly supports
KILLING CHILDREN, KINEGAD DAAS TORAH!!!
Back to the original topic, how could Obama have not known about his aunt if he invited her to his senate swearing in after she got her deportation order? jf02, if your aunt got deported wouldn’t you find out?!
“Then don’t bring your unacceptable lifestyle to a people steeped in Torah, who find this an abomination.”
Will Hill, I don’t know you, but I’ll assume that you are not a Gadol, nor Mashiach, nor any sort of official representative of Am Yisrael. (And, certainly, you are not Hashem.) With all due respect, what gives you the right to classify my lifestyle as unacceptable, and to exclude me from the nation? I truly feel hurt that you have judged my actions as abominable and against the Torah. I am not “bringing” my lifestyle “to” a people; I am part of that people! I am a Jew! I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but can’t you do it in a more sensitive way?
When a person dies, we say “boruch dayan haemet.” Hashem is the True Judge, the only One who is really qualified to evaluate our behavior and pass judgment on it. Only Hashem can make rulings about my lifestyle. It is not for you or anyone else to do.
mw13, I, unlike Obama, am close with most of my aunts, so I know more about what’s going on in their lives than he does about what’s going on in his aunt’s life. (Also, all of my aunts are “full” aunts, not “half” like his.) If my aunt was physically deported, I’m sure I would know about it, but if she had only received a deportation order and had not left yet, I might not. If my aunt chose not to tell anyone about it- and I can see why she would make that choice- then how would I find out?
What difference does it make to this issue that GMAB holds a particular position on a different issue? You could also say to GMAB that his “only ally” here wears red clothing. That would be just as illogical as telling me that he is pro-choice. These are separate issues and have no place in this discussion. This may surprise you, but I happen to be pro-life (with a few exceptions for certain circumstances; I won’t go into detail about that here.) Even so, I respect GMAB’s opinion and I would never call his views anti-Torah; he simply follows a different interpretation of the Torah than I do on that particular topic. All of this has nothing to do with a discussion about Obama, and I certainly don’t think less of GMAB for his pro-choice views. (Clearly, you do, just as you think less of me for my wardrobe choices. I don’t think that’s fair on either count.)
“Hashem is the True Judge, the only One who is really qualified to evaluate our behavior”
actually there are quite a few areas in Halachah that require us to judge our fellow Yid
in determining whether or not to believe Lashon HaRA, in what manner to believe it, whether you may or even be required to repeat it, etc. you need to decide whether the person is a Rasha, whether he does certain avairos, how he does them, does he do tshuva.
in the laws of tochachah, the persons level of observance has to be evaluated, is the aveira meforish in the Torah (eating pork on purpose), does the aveirah involve an open publicized rebellion from the psakim of the Gdolim (ie wearing certain colors, women wearing mens garments as defined by current Poskim).
the Gemorah as you must well know is packed all over with judgements that a common Yid must pass on his fellow and act on it
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