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Can someone please help me understand why it matters so much if an individual Jewish family was in Eretz Yisrael before 1948 or after? If you said before vs. after 1880 or so, I can understand. Hovevei Zion was founded in 1881, Leon Pinsker wrote Auto-Emancipation in 1882, etc., so anyone who moved to Eretz Yisrael before 1880 likely did it on a personal level, and likely for religious reasons. (Obviously there’s overlap, such as former President Reuven Rivlin’s family, among the Talmidei HaGra.) But from 1881-1938 (before the Holocaust created so many refugees, many of whom came between 1938-1948), tens of thousands of Jews moved to Eretz Yisrael in the name of Zionism.
Political anti-Zionists, plus a few on this forum, will make it sound like Charedim lived in Eretz Yisrael before Zionism, as opposed to Zionists (both religious and secular), who came only then. In some cases, this was true, but a large majority of Charedim came once Zionists began building it up. Much like the Egyptian and Jordanian Arabs who moved there from the 1890s through early 1940s. So why is there a distinction of pre and post ’48, not pre or post 1880?
If someone is from a Jewish family that moved to Eretz Yisrael before 1880, they can honestly argue against Zionist control without being hypocritical. No need to agree with R’ Amram Blau on everything, but his father moved to Eretz Yisrael in 1869, and his mother’s family went back several generations in Jerusalem. So I can understand his point.
But for the vast majority of Charedim today, many of whom come from families that have been there only after 1948 (or the 1920s, if you’re lucky), what significance does that have when addressing one’s obligations to the State of Israel; without which most of these people wouldn’t be there?Anyone who came pre-48 generally did so without their emigration being facilitated by the Zionists. So the Zionists argument that they owe allegiance is clearly false.
Many who came after 1948, also, did so without it being due to the Zionists. Just like those before 1948, who came despite the Zionists, not because of them.
Most of the Zionists themselves came after 1948.
The Ran in Nedarim paskens l’halacha that the halacha of dina d’malchusa dina does NOT apply in Eretz Yisroel, since the basis of the halacha is that the local country granted the right for its Jews to live in their land, therefore the Jews must obey the law of that land. Whereas, paskens the Ran, in Eretz Yisroel every Jew in the world has a G-d given right to live there, therefore they do not owe anything to the now current local rulers of Eretz Yisroel; and as such there’s no applicable dina d’malchusa dina in Eretz Yisroel.
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