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im usually against making threads like this but i think in this case its justified…
watching everyone here run about like headless chickens because one user may be collecting personal information (given voluntarily by other members) is ridiculous. if you volunteer information online then it is your fault if someone uses it against you. im not excusing what joseph may or may not have done…but he had to get the information somewhere, eh?
about the email addresses he got…as i understand it there was some actual wrongdoing there and possibly illegal activity…no need for details and that is his problem and his alone. but looking toward the future, to many more years on this forum, is it really worth the headache to worry about every poster?
suppose start a thread asking for names addresses and schools…and someone actually answers…whose problem is that? mine? or the idiot who answered. suppose i ask for personal information, or i say that i want to correspond by email…and someone actually gives me an address….whose problem is that?
wake up…its the internet. i understand everyone thinks that because this is a frum (supposedly) site that everyone is trustworthy and nothing can ever go wrong…but seriously. were online. exercise caution.
mods…youre doing more harm than good. seriously. by working everyone into a lather every time someone posts something which has the slight possibility of leading to a member revealing personal information and vilifying the poster…just let it go. post a disclaimer on the thread if you must, but driving everyone nuts with threats of stalking is extremely counter-productive.
oh and jothar…we get the point. you can stop now. seriously.
can we all agree that it is OUR responsibility to filter our own posts of personal information? good. cool. mods…? can we return to normal now…?
by the way, parenthetically, you will never win the war against joseph because you cant win against a motivated troll. trust me…there is always a way around what youre doing to block him and honestly…youre wasting your time.
Thanks Soliek. I tried to say this so many times, but I couldn’t word it this good!
I don’t know why people cannot understand this.
naive teenagers. And naive parents who let said naive teenagers roam free because a site with the word yeshiva in it’a name must be safe, right? Wrong!
Hi soliek.
Being relatively new, and not brand new, I can tell you it is just dumb to see this name of
Joseph batted around.
What is the upside to giving out the real name of someone as though their name
is an running gag among some of the posters?
If you knew the situation first hand. What is the point talking about him.
My thought is this: If someone did bad stuff here and many rallied against him, that can
create a person to be worse than they are in real life. I have seen it happen, and everyone
is culpable. In fact, the way people still talk about him, to this day, would instigate the problem.
We only davened for the New Year not even three months ago. Let’s try to elevate and keep things clean again.
soliek,
It seems to me that the two “sides” in this security debate are converging towards agreement.
I mostly agree with your blame-the-one-who-foolishly-gives-out-too-much-personal-information-and-let’s-get-on-with-it argument, but there are some cases where posters, especially younger ones, may not realize they are giving out enough information to uniquely identify themselves. This is where I see a place for the security discussion. Not witch hunts, not Joseph-hunting (he’s certainly not the only sock puppet maker here!), but just gentle words of caution. Like suggesting one write, “I was at my cousin’s wedding recently…” rather than, “I was at my older cousin’s wedding in St. Louis last night…”
charlie brown +1
*liek* to both your posts
“I was at my cousin’s wedding recently…”
that’s true if the chasuna was in St. Louis however if it’s Brooklyn or anywhere else in the NY/NJ area I think it’s fine to name the city
OK. Let’s see. Whoever knows me, raise you right hand!
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See. I’ve been here quite some time, nobody at all (besides one) knows me.
ZeesKite,
Congratulations! You are good at protecting your PII in the CR. Therefore, the messages of caution do not apply to you, and you can feel free to ignore them.
Not everybody has been as successful as you are.
coffee addict,
that’s true if the chasuna was in St. Louis however if it’s Brooklyn or anywhere else in the NY/NJ area I think it’s fine to name the city
This is the kind of discussion/back-and-forth I was hoping to see with the other security thread… rather than what it devolved into.
I would agree, that with no other details, that naming the city wouldn’t necessarily be a problem. But combined with perhaps a specific detail of something that happened during the wedding, another poster may be able to determine which wedding it was. I’m not saying that those details shouldn’t be posted, but the poster should be aware of what they may be giving away.
Avram in MD – In the spirit of continuing to steer this discussion to the generic (Please Gd) – It seems like there are two different issues involved with ‘security’, right? I mean, if someone figures out who I am (which has been done) than I have to be careful who I “open the door to” because they may not really be a friend. But if I never “open the door” to anyone I don’t recognize, is there still a danger? If I don’t have any bank accounts or credit cards online is there an identity theft risk? Or is it something else entirely?
Again, I’m asking about the danger in addition to the danger of friends who aren’t friends.
Syag Lchochma,
I am certainly no expert on IT security, and I don’t know anything about what’s been going on behind the scenes here on the CR.
I personally would not expect an unsolicited e-mail from someone in the CR. If I received one, I would assume that someone hacked the CR’s data, and would report it to the editor. I personally would not respond to the e-mail. Nor would I respond to someone’s request to e-mail them.
Now, if someone I know personally (as in, I know them and their e-mail address personally) e-mailed me and said, “are you Avram in MD in the CR?” I would respond.
If someone claimed to be a person I know but was writing from an unfamiliar e-mail address, I would be more suspicious. I would probably write an e-mail to the address I know for that person, to confirm it really is him.
As far as banking account information, as long as you’re not using the same username and password for the CR as you are for your financial institutions, I think you’re fine:-) Of course, keep in mind that your financial institutions will never send you an unsolicited e-mail prompting you for personal information (e.g., “Your account has been locked, click here to log in and resolve the problem!”). I’d also keep your true PII (first, last name, SSN obviously) away from the CR, and write to the editor/mods if you feel like someone is trying to “out” you.
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