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Yeah, yeah… I know that probably makes me the equivalent of an idol-worshipper in some people’s eyes. Don’t care. I’ve never been drunk in my life and I don’t intend to start now.
The Wolf
If you’ve never been drunk, so then what exactly is your point? Are you saying you’re exempt because you are unable to do this holy mitzva? Are you trying to somehow be an activist against something that is a mitzvas sofrim? Or are you just defending your dignity from those who would somehow try to mock you for your inability to partake of this mitzva? (Would someone actually be so insensitive? Are you perhaps the one trying to mock those who just want to serve Hashem, chalila?)
Nobody cares.
Who gets drunk on Purim anyways. That is so 100 years ago.
More alcohol for the rest of us!
I’m kidding; i don’t get drunk either.
To each their own wolf
I don’t look down at you for not getting drunk please don’t loose down at those who do get drunk (if really doing it for the mitzvah)
I have never been drunk in my life, and I do not intend to start now.
Zev: There’s a shitta that allows an alternative to getting drunk, so you’re not sinning according to every shitta.
I will be drinking rishus cold seltzer this year.
Is “moderation” fundamentally (not just linguistically) incompatible with ad shelo yadah?
Is “moderation” fundamentally (not just linguistically) incompatible with ad shelo yadah?
Dorah: ad shelo yadah is, by definition, the opposite of moderation.
Wolf, kol hakavod. We are not doing yevamos any more as we are not sure we are doing it “for the mitzva”. I am not sure I know people who drink “for the mitzva” also … Given what is going on in our society, not drinking is probably the right thing to do. Even if you personally think you can do it right, you are encouraging others and who knows where they stand.
The question is – what do you do with 4 cups on Pesach? This is a more restricted environment, so my objections above do not hold.
AAQ: Au contraire. Today, in modern liberal politically correct society, it is popular and brownie-points awarding, to say do not drink/I don’t drink. We have to worry that those who wear a sign saying I don’t drink on purim/I don’t get drunk on purim, are saying so to sound politically correct and goodie -goodies rather than any interest in doing the Mitzvah correctly.
On the other hand, those that the whole year barely drink, but on purim force themselves against their natural inclination to get drink purely lsheim Mitzvah, are true heroes.
Want a medal? It’s a mitzvah. If you deny it, you’re a kofer.
AAQ if anything we can be an example of drinking the way as appropriate for yidden. We do it k’shiur, not every day ch”v.
Aaq,
So then you don’t know that many people 😉
Also why can’t he use a little wine and the rest grape juice and the smallest shiur
Aaq, I don’t understand your comparison. Are you saying that drinking is a סרך איסור כרת?
I love the mitzvah so much I practice all year for Purim.
So all the ehrliche yidden celebrating Purim with their families and can pass a sobriety test are by definition, “kofrim” since not engaging in excessive drinking (w/o a medical heter) or even drinking in moderation, is kefirah. That makes sense. You heard it here first. If you are pulled over by the newly established morality police for DWNI (driving while not intoxicated), you have been warned.
“On the other hand, those that the whole year barely drink, but on purim force themselves against their natural inclination to get drink purely lsheim Mitzvah, are true heroes.“
I hold this same philosophy (I wouldn’t call them heroes though)
GH if you deny it or claim it’s not applicable (unless you have a health condition which is a יוצא מן הכלל), then you’re a kofer. Not drinking doesn’t make you a kofer.
For all those that never got drunk,you are doing yourself a great disservice. Pure joy and fun,(until you wake up sick) please put it on your bucket list
“Not drinking doesn’t make you a kofer”
Any more so than drinking in excess and putting yourself and others at risk makes you a tzadik. Fortunately, most who do drink, don’t drive and many don’t even have a car.
BTW, I take full credit for Reb Volf having this massive annual hangup about his failing to get drunk on Purim. If you’ll look through the forum archives you’ll find me needling him for it year after year. It’s left a deep scar on his psych.
All the in Purim spirit, of course!
I am drunk right nowbut, nevertheless, looking forward to more on Purim. My favorite mitzvah, now that I am too old to be fruitful and multiply.
so many good questions!
> drinking is a סרך איסור כרת?
surely, drinking leads to a lot of issurim. Read R Twersky’s books that our community is not immune to that.> can be an example of drinking the way as appropriate for yidden
this is a good idea and is very convincing – especially after a couple of shots! Do I think that when I drink l’chaim (and my neighbor joins me) and then I stop (and he does not), that he will feel an urge to stop when he seems me _walking_ home – or he might still get into his car? Absolutely! (not).> Fortunately, most who do drink, don’t drive and many don’t even have a car.
“Rov” is not good enough measure here. If we don’t do shofar on Shabbos because of someone who might carry it (even as the only ones without eruv are OOTers) – might think twice about drinking atmosphere that createsa permissive environment.> We have to worry that those who wear a sign saying I don’t drink on purim/I don’t get drunk on purim,
you might live in some liberal enclave that I am not aware of. Discussion is not about signs “I don’t drink” but rather about NOT having signs “I am drunk”.> It’s left a deep scar on his psych.
this is way worse than drinking.You mean that you guys are all sober when you post??
WolfishMusings,
“I ended up fasting most of the day (until about 3:30PM)”
Why?
Didn’t think your allowed to fast past chatzos on a Yom tov unless it’s for medical purposes?
Reb Volf: Refuah Shelamo
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