January 20, 2015 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #614697
Products from Israel, under rabbinical supervision, are reliable! However, you must make sure that the product does not contain gelatin (even “kosher” gelatin). The rabbinate in Israel accepts a different standard regarding gelatin than we do in America. If you live in Israel you should feel free to follow their ruling. But in Diaspora, we need to follow the standards that CTI has accepted here in the Diaspora. Currently that standard is to not allow any gelatin produced from animals. The only gelatin-type product which is acceptable is Kolatin, which is fish gelatin. All the labels on this list will use only kosher gelatin. At Passover time, especially, beware of marshmallows or any chewy candies from Israel, which might have gelatin in them.January 20, 2015 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1054410flatbusherParticipant
I think you have to be more careful about rabbinical supervision in Israel than you do in the U.S. Other than Badatz and chasan sofer there are many,many others, and if you are not living in Israel you cannot be sure that a product is reliable just because it has some rabbinical supervision on that.January 20, 2015 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #1054411golferParticipant
FrumRav, thank you for the information.
Just wondering, do you perhaps have an ulterior motive?
Are you trying yo remind us to start Pesach cleaning as it’s already almost – Gasp- Rosh Chodesh Shvat !?
Not taking the bait…January 20, 2015 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1054412
CTI is an OO synagogue in Austin, TX. I guess that Austin shul was finally able to find someone! I wonder if they had to pay him more than $100,000 per year…January 20, 2015 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1054413
Open Orthodox kashrus u shouldn’t trustJanuary 20, 2015 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #1054414
As far as I know there is no open orthodox Hashgaha. If they serve regular hashsghcha’s like the OU or OK why not trust themJanuary 20, 2015 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1054415
Because u this statement also give by the Open Orthodox Kashrus Standards: Canned FRUIT do not need any supervision (except on Passover) as long as the only added ingredients are salt, sugar, corn syrup or water. The one exception is canned fruit that comes from China (for example, Mandarin oranges): They need reliable supervision.January 20, 2015 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1054416apushatayidParticipant
the products produced in america that are made with the gelatin derived from animals, usually has a label attached to it where the rav hamachshir cites a teshuvas achiezer in support of the kosher designation. that in itself was a red flag to me, to ask my rav about it. I mean, when was the last time you saw ANY rav hamachshir affix a teshuva to a product detailing the reasons for the kashrus certificate! my rav told me that every major posek in america, litvish and chassidish held that the achiezer said something else entirely and in fact was not a basis for the kashrus of the animal derived gelatin. it is why no major hechsher in america certifies such products and the supervision comes from an individual rav.January 20, 2015 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #1054417Israeli ChareidiParticipant
Canned fruit from Israel can kill you – literally.
Without supervision it could have be any number of forbidden statuses – some of which carry the penalty of misah bidei shomayim.January 20, 2015 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1054418
Also with this Open Orthodox Kashrus Standard : All unflavored applesauce is kosher even without any supervision.January 20, 2015 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm #1054419Sam2Participant
apushatayid: The Achiezer is clearly correct. He was just misinformed of the Metziyus, as everyone points out.January 21, 2015 12:15 am at 12:15 am #1054420yytzParticipant
I don’t understand why OO is in the title of this thread. But now that we’re on the topic…
Panda licorice is from Finland and the box just has a plain “K.” The company has a document indicating that it is under supervision from the Finland’s chief rabbi, who is a YCT grad. I’m not on the OO boat in general, but I think this hechsher is good enough, since it’s a very simple product (with just four ingredients, all vegan and non-grape), and I doubt this humble product is fit for a king’s table.January 21, 2015 5:03 am at 5:03 am #1054421
U still shouldn’t trust Open Orthodox Kashrus Stardards because of this : Cut-up fresh fruit in a supermarket is fine without any supervision.January 21, 2015 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #1054422
FrumRav, actually, the cRc says that cut fruit from a large supermarket does not need supervision.January 21, 2015 1:53 pm at 1:53 pm #1054423
DaMoshe +1January 21, 2015 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1054424
I do not understand what this thread means. Straw man?
There are definitely some items which don’t require hashgochah, nothing to do with OO.January 21, 2015 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #1054425
I happened to have had occasion to ask the Hebrew Institute of Riverdale what hechshers they permitted for shul events. Here is the list:
Rabbinical Council of Bergen County
Vaad of Queens
Vaad of RiverdaleJanuary 21, 2015 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #1054426
Star-K permits most canned fruit without a hechsher. From an article on the cRc web site by Tzvi Rosen, Star-K kashrut administrator:
“canned fruits can be purchased without kosher certification if the following conditions are met:
1. The fruits are packed in water, light or heavy syrup and do not have fruit juice listed as an ingredient;
2. They are not colored with natural colors; and
3. The fruits are not products of Israel.
“January 21, 2015 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #1054427
Rabbinical Council of Bergen County
Vaad of Queens
Vaad of Riverdale
Most, if not all (I’m not familar with all), of those are accepted by mainstream Modern Orthodoxy (those who would not want to identify as OO) and by many who would identify as to the right of Modern Orthodox.January 21, 2015 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1054428
U still shouldn’t trust Open Orthodox Standards because of this : All frozen vegetables are acceptable, EVEN WHEN THEY DO NOT BEAR ANY CERTIFICATIONJanuary 21, 2015 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1054429
” Open Orthodox Standards because of this : All frozen vegetables are acceptable”
Source for this?January 21, 2015 4:05 pm at 4:05 pm #1054430
The Open Orthodox Shul’s Kashrus StandardsJanuary 21, 2015 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1054431
Never seen or heard of a document by that title.January 21, 2015 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #1054432
The Shul’s name is CTIJanuary 21, 2015 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #1054433popa_bar_abbaParticipant
This thread is retarded.January 21, 2015 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1054434
FrumRav, you mentioned applesauce earlier. The cRc says that “Unflavored, unsweetened applesauce does not need a hechsher.” You can look it up, they sent it out as a Twitter message this past December.
With the vegetables, you left out the part where they listed the exceptions. Again, a quick look at the cRc website will show that they also say frozen vegetables are kosher, with a list of exceptions. The lists don’t sync up exactly, but some research of other hashgachos shows that there are disagreements on the veggies I looked up. A good example is potatoes – the cRc lists them as an exception. Others say they’re fine as long as they’re not fully cooked through.
There are plenty of issues with OO. The kashrus rules of one OO synagogue shouldn’t be your focus.January 21, 2015 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #1054435
U still shouldn’t trust the Open Orthodox Kashrus Standards because of this : Frozen Broccoli is acceptable as long as IT IS NOT FROM MEXICO.January 21, 2015 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1054436
Why, popa, is it made out of asbestos?January 21, 2015 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm #1054437
U still shouldn’t trust Open Orthodox Kashrus Standards because of this : Bagged lettuce of any kind, which comes with a reliable supervision, does not need to be washed.January 21, 2015 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #1054438
It is one shul, which may not represent the position of other shuls. So if your rav doesn’t like the standards there, don’t attend a simcha there.
But more importantly is that the standards don’t say what FrumRav claims. For example, this is the entirety of the Frozen Vegetables statement:
“All frozen vegetables are acceptable, EVEN WHEN THEY DO NOT BEAR ANY CERTIFICATION, with the exception of: Brussels Sprouts, Artichokes and Asparagus.
Frozen Broccoli is acceptable as long as IT IS NOT FROM MEXICO.”
FrumRav deliberately misled us by not mentioning the exceptions. And that is my last comment on this thread because I won’t argue with people who can’t be trusted to tell the truth.January 21, 2015 5:54 pm at 5:54 pm #1054439
Sound like a spaghetti principle
If you throw a plate of spaghetti on the wall, some will stickJanuary 22, 2015 7:35 am at 7:35 am #1054440
FYI Kolatin is made from cow not fish, which the Open Orthodox Kashrus Standards claim was made from fish that’s why you shouldn’t trust them
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