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    speakerAV
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    I just saw the prize from Oorah for a pet. In the picture Rabbi D. is walking a Golden Retriever and in the prize description it says you can choose the dog.

    Just wanted to get peoples feedback if they think frum people getting dogs is becoming more acceptable? What about people more identified as yeshivish, but for whatever reason want to get a dog for their children?

    #1137237

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I had two dogs growing up, and, were it not for allergies among members of my family, we would certainly have one today.

    The Wolf

    #1137239

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Animals are not prizes! Winning an animal in a raffle turns what should be a serious decision into a game.

    #1137240

    offbeat2
    Member

    @rebyidd23 uh… Why are raffles and auctions considered a “serious decision”?

    What’s serious about an event that’s meant to be fun and entertaining?

    #1137241

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Getting a pet is serious.

    #1137242

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Frum people in South Africa should own dogs for security purposes.

    #1137243

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    Giving to Oorah is a serious mitzvah. Choosing which prize to put into is the game part. $250 gets you one in every box…

    #1137244

    speakerAV
    Participant

    Back to my question… Has the attitude of rum people changed towards dogs and dog owners?

    #1137245

    yitzyk
    Participant

    No, frum people still have the same attitude. That is, some have them, and some don’t. Some are vehemently against them. And some just like to argue about it.

    The only new thing is that now we discuss it on message boards instead of in the mikvah…

    #1137246

    Joseph
    Participant

    I never encountered a dog owner in the mikvah. They don’t seem to be the weekly (forget daily) mikvah-going types.

    #1137247

    speakerAV
    Participant

    Joseph, you are quick to judge. I go to the mikvah and am strongly considering getting a dog. Especially if I win it from Oorah. 🙂

    #1137248

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Pets are not raffle prizes. I would hope any organization would know better.

    #1137249

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Why aren’t pets raffle prizes?

    #1137250

    takahmamash
    Participant

    Why aren’t pets raffle prizes?

    Because having a pet is a serious responsibility to the animal. A dog needs to be trained, which takes time and effort that not everyone is willing to make. It’s an expense – there’s food, veterinarian visits and bills. It’s not like the dog gets sick and you can ignore it. One needs to plan about caring for the dog when leaving the house or going on vacation, which is not cheap. The dog needs to be walked and exercised, every day, including Shabbat and the chagim. Is someone going to leave shule on Y”K to go home and walk the dog? You can’t leave it outside 24/7. Think of it as having a permanant 5 year old in the house for 12 or 15 years.

    That’s why pets are not raffle prizes.

    #1137251

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    You didn’t explain why they’re not raffle prizes.

    You did make a good case for there to be a great responsibility on the winner.

    #1137252

    Joseph
    Participant

    So to be a dog owner one must sacrifice part of their Yom Kippur davening in shul (as well as other times of the year) to care for a dog?

    #1137253

    takahmamash
    Participant

    You didn’t explain why they’re not raffle prizes.

    Not everyone entering a raffle is responsible enough to be a pet owner. Most animal shelters and reputable breeders will interview a family to make sure they would do well by the dog before allowing them to take one. I envision this pet ending up at a shelter.

    #1137254

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Do pet stores have such interviews?

    #1137255

    Joseph
    Participant

    Do pet stores have such interviews?

    Their primary goal is to take a profit from your purchase of the pet.

    #1137256

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Raffles are games.

    #1137257

    Burnt Steak
    Participant

    Since when do Frum people not have dogs? Many of my friends growing up had one. For a while I had a German Shepard. I would assume that people in the New York area don’t have dogs because of living spaces are small and its hard to have a dog if you don’t have a yard outside.

    #1137258

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Plenty of people in New York have dogs.

    #1137259

    The Queen
    Participant

    What do the dog owners do on Shabbos? Aren’t the dogs muktza?

    #1137260

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    They are, and there are limits to how they can be handled.

    #1137261

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    It’s the same as having a cat, shabboswise.

    #1137262

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    You don’t need to walk a cat.

    #1137263

    speakerAV
    Participant

    Well, I am serious about getting a dog and have been considering it for a long time. Was just always worried about the negative feedback from fellow members of the community.

    Now that I saw the Oorah raffle was wondering if the attitude has changed…

    #1137264

    speakerAV
    Participant

    There is not much of an issue with walking a dog on Shabbos, look at Shabbos K’hilchaso, where he discusses the exact guidelines. Additionally, there are some possum who permit the touching of companion animals on shabbos. As to the issue of yom kippur, most shuls have some break midday, where you can let the dog do his business, but most large breeds can “hold it in” for 8-10 hrs if you are out of the house.

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