February 5, 2016 5:02 am at 5:02 am #617182
I just saw the prize from Oorah for a pet. In the picture Rabbi D. is walking a Golden Retriever and in the prize description it says you can choose the dog.
Just wanted to get peoples feedback if they think frum people getting dogs is becoming more acceptable? What about people more identified as yeshivish, but for whatever reason want to get a dog for their children?February 5, 2016 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #1137237WolfishMusingsParticipant
I had two dogs growing up, and, were it not for allergies among members of my family, we would certainly have one today.
The WolfFebruary 5, 2016 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1137239
Animals are not prizes! Winning an animal in a raffle turns what should be a serious decision into a game.February 5, 2016 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #1137240offbeat2Member
@rebyidd23 uh… Why are raffles and auctions considered a “serious decision”?
What’s serious about an event that’s meant to be fun and entertaining?February 5, 2016 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #1137241
Getting a pet is serious.February 7, 2016 1:16 am at 1:16 am #1137242YW Moderator-42Moderator
Frum people in South Africa should own dogs for security purposes.February 7, 2016 1:22 am at 1:22 am #1137243YW Moderator-42Moderator
Giving to Oorah is a serious mitzvah. Choosing which prize to put into is the game part. $250 gets you one in every box…February 7, 2016 4:34 am at 4:34 am #1137244
Back to my question… Has the attitude of rum people changed towards dogs and dog owners?February 7, 2016 5:27 am at 5:27 am #1137245yitzykParticipant
No, frum people still have the same attitude. That is, some have them, and some don’t. Some are vehemently against them. And some just like to argue about it.
The only new thing is that now we discuss it on message boards instead of in the mikvah…February 7, 2016 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1137246
I never encountered a dog owner in the mikvah. They don’t seem to be the weekly (forget daily) mikvah-going types.February 11, 2016 5:07 am at 5:07 am #1137247
Joseph, you are quick to judge. I go to the mikvah and am strongly considering getting a dog. Especially if I win it from Oorah. 🙂February 11, 2016 7:18 am at 7:18 am #1137248
Pets are not raffle prizes. I would hope any organization would know better.February 11, 2016 11:39 am at 11:39 am #1137249
Why aren’t pets raffle prizes?February 11, 2016 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1137250
Why aren’t pets raffle prizes?
Because having a pet is a serious responsibility to the animal. A dog needs to be trained, which takes time and effort that not everyone is willing to make. It’s an expense – there’s food, veterinarian visits and bills. It’s not like the dog gets sick and you can ignore it. One needs to plan about caring for the dog when leaving the house or going on vacation, which is not cheap. The dog needs to be walked and exercised, every day, including Shabbat and the chagim. Is someone going to leave shule on Y”K to go home and walk the dog? You can’t leave it outside 24/7. Think of it as having a permanant 5 year old in the house for 12 or 15 years.
That’s why pets are not raffle prizes.February 11, 2016 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #1137251
You didn’t explain why they’re not raffle prizes.
You did make a good case for there to be a great responsibility on the winner.February 11, 2016 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #1137252
So to be a dog owner one must sacrifice part of their Yom Kippur davening in shul (as well as other times of the year) to care for a dog?February 11, 2016 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #1137253
You didn’t explain why they’re not raffle prizes.
Not everyone entering a raffle is responsible enough to be a pet owner. Most animal shelters and reputable breeders will interview a family to make sure they would do well by the dog before allowing them to take one. I envision this pet ending up at a shelter.February 11, 2016 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1137254
Do pet stores have such interviews?February 11, 2016 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1137255
Do pet stores have such interviews?
Their primary goal is to take a profit from your purchase of the pet.February 11, 2016 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #1137256
Raffles are games.February 12, 2016 1:32 am at 1:32 am #1137257Burnt SteakParticipant
Since when do Frum people not have dogs? Many of my friends growing up had one. For a while I had a German Shepard. I would assume that people in the New York area don’t have dogs because of living spaces are small and its hard to have a dog if you don’t have a yard outside.February 12, 2016 1:57 am at 1:57 am #1137258
Plenty of people in New York have dogs.February 12, 2016 1:58 am at 1:58 am #1137259The QueenParticipant
What do the dog owners do on Shabbos? Aren’t the dogs muktza?February 12, 2016 3:52 am at 3:52 am #1137260
They are, and there are limits to how they can be handled.February 12, 2016 4:08 am at 4:08 am #1137261
It’s the same as having a cat, shabboswise.February 12, 2016 4:14 am at 4:14 am #1137262
You don’t need to walk a cat.February 14, 2016 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1137263
Well, I am serious about getting a dog and have been considering it for a long time. Was just always worried about the negative feedback from fellow members of the community.
Now that I saw the Oorah raffle was wondering if the attitude has changed…February 14, 2016 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #1137264
There is not much of an issue with walking a dog on Shabbos, look at Shabbos K’hilchaso, where he discusses the exact guidelines. Additionally, there are some possum who permit the touching of companion animals on shabbos. As to the issue of yom kippur, most shuls have some break midday, where you can let the dog do his business, but most large breeds can “hold it in” for 8-10 hrs if you are out of the house.
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