Orthodox hats for Shabbos — what do you wear?

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  • #617251
    Excellence
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    I’m looking for ideas to buy a hat for Shabbos. Never worn one before. I’ve been looking at pics and hat stores last few days. Looking for some advice.

    What are the names of the typical frum hat you wear?

    Akubra bogart or stylemaster? Hampton? Classic style fedora? Trillby?

    I was told soft felt hats can shrink from rain. I’ve seen some hats made of linen, others of wool. So shatnez could be an issue. Speaking of which — does shatnez apply to hat wearing too, or just clothing?

    They take a long time to make. 200 processes over 3 months I believe.

    So to give me an idea of hat types, can you tell me what you wear and I’ll go look them up.

    #1151961
    ubiquitin
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    Tophat!

    #1151962
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Classic fedora. The one charliehall says is beged isha.

    #1151963
    akuperma
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    Homburg.

    I’m old enough to remember when goyim wore hats, and the fedora was always the weekday hat not the dress hat.

    Homburg is also sturdier than the black fedoras.

    #1151965
    popa_bar_abba
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    Depends.

    If you want to look normal, buy a Borsalino fedora from a store like Bencraft or the Hat Box.

    #1151966
    Joseph
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    Isn’t the homburg a bit chasidic or rabbinic?

    #1151967
    👑RebYidd23
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    Raise your hand if you wear a fez and a cowboy hat on alternate weekdays.

    #1151968
    birdson
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    sussquehanna hats. you might want to buy a few as they have a tendency to be punched by irate passerbys.

    #1151969
    147
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    Out here in Johannesburg, it is right now roasting so hot [low 30’s Celsius], that the 1 & only correct hat for Shabbos is a white straw hat.

    #1151970
    nfgo3
    Member

    Homburgs are not chasidic. Outgoing president Dwight Eisenhower wore a homburg to the inauguration of President Kennedy. Kennedy wore a Susquehanna hat before the inauguration, but the hat never made it to the actual ceremony, for reasons mentioned by “birdson.”

    #1151971
    The Queen
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    “Isn’t the homburg a bit chasidic or rabbinic?”

    It’s Hungarian, my shver wears it.

    #1151972
    Avi K
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    I don’t go out with a tent on Shabbat.

    #1151973
    popa_bar_abba
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    Homburgs are not chasidic. Outgoing president Dwight Eisenhower wore a homburg to the inauguration of President Kennedy.

    He was chasidic.

    #1151974
    takahmamash
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    I wear a kipah.

    #1151975
    popa_bar_abba
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    I don’t go out with a tent on Shabbat.

    I’m glad you’ve found a new chumrah that doesn’t involve putting people down.

    #1151976
    Avi K
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    Bat Masterson wore a homburg AND a frock.

    #1151977
    theprof1
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    Why don’t you go to a store like bencraft or hat box or kova and try on some hats and see what you like.

    #1151978
    apushatayid
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    Excellence are you a male or a female.

    #1151979
    charliehall
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    “The one charliehall says is beged isha.”

    It was. Now it is accepted as beged ish.

    This proves that the halachic status of things can change.

    This is also a great example of taking something that was very profane and making it into something that is a symbol of holiness. As I have pointed out the fedora was first popularized by a notorious hedonist apostate actress over a century ago. Whatever frum Jew first donned a fedora was probably committing an sin, but that averia has been turned into a merit. We should think about that before criticizing those who adopt new minhagim.

    #1151980
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    It probably wasn’t. She probably wore a man’s hat; she was notorious for wearing men’s clothing.

    The trilby, which is pretty much the same hat with a narrower brim, was around before. The name fedora was from her role, but the hat pretty much existed before.

    By the time Jews wore it with the name fedora, it had already become a popular men’s hat.

    It’s not a symbol of holiness at all, it’s a hat, for crying out loud.

    #1151981
    popa_bar_abba
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    a notorious hedonist apostate actress over a century ago.

    Good thing there isn’t a hedonist apostate day on the American calendar, or avi weiss would have invited her to sing in shul.

    #1151982
    MDG
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    “I don’t go out with a tent on Shabbat.”

    “I’m glad you’ve found a new chumrah that doesn’t involve putting people down. “

    Not a new churmra. A hat with a wide brim (at least one tefach – about 3 inches) may be considered like boheh ohel every 4 amot. Look at Shabbat 138 b. The Mechaber mentions this l’halacha (i think siman 301) and the Rema does not argue.

    The MB and others find heterim for those that do wear hats with brim a tefech wide.

    #1151983
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    It’s a Taz, which applies to today’s hats, which are not what the Mechaber was referring to.

    #1151984
    apushatayid
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    Must the hat be orthodox in order to wear it on shabbos? Would it be muktza if it wasnt orthodox?

    #1151985
    Excellence
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    I’m male, apushatayid.

    Ok lots of names to look up. Thanks all and keep them coming.

    #1151986
    Excellence
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    Ok… Homberg has upswept wings and a dented summit.

    Susquehanna hat … not happening!

    Borsalino fedora … I think that is the standard Jewish hat. That must be the one I see everyone wearing. It looks like the atypical trenchcoat wearing American.

    It looks very similar to a Hampton hat. The shop I went to didn’t have the borsalino fedora so I tried a Hampton. It was the first time a hat touched my head…

    #1151987
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Yates has a hat called the Akubra Hampton, which is a small brimmed fedora. Is that it?

    #1151988
    Excellence
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    I forgot to say, the borsalino fedora looks very alike to the akubra bogart.

    #1151989
    apushatayid
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    I don’t know what motivated you to wear a hat perhaps if you shared your motivation we could offer advice.

    If the motivation is simply to fit in then buy whatever they sell everyone else. I suspect that isn’t the motivation though.

    #1151990
    oomis
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    There is no holiness to a hat. There is only potential holiness in its wearer.

    #1151991
    Excellence
    Participant

    Question! Does shatnez apply to hats? I’ve seen hats 100% wool and unlined. Can I trust that?

    #1151992
    stopthehate
    Member

    a nice cowboy hat is the way to go

    #1151993
    MDG
    Participant

    “It’s a Taz, which applies to today’s hats, which are not what the Mechaber was referring to. “

    I saw some Chinese people recently with their Chinese style hats that resemble umbrellas, and I was reminded of this discussion.

    The hat that the Gemara (Shabbat 138b)is referring to was called “siana” with a Samech. The Chinese are Sini in Hebrew (also with a Samech).

    Based on the description (inflexible, wide brimmed, sun-protective hat) and the name, it seems to me that the hats that the Gemara was referring to could possibly be the Chinese style hats.

    #1151994
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    My hat is Italian.

    #1151995
    Sam2
    Participant

    MDG: Unlikely. Sini didn’t mean Chinese back then because no one knew that China existed.

    #1151996
    MDG
    Participant

    Sini appears in the shishi aliah in Noah.

    #1151997
    torahlife
    Member

    You can find black hats on Amazon and what not or a fraction of the cost of a $300 borse. Were talking 30/40 bucks. Check it out

    #1151998
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I doubt they would last a tenth of the time a high quality hat would last.

    #1151999
    Sam2
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    MDG: Yeah, but it didn’t mean China. (Or, if it did, because Chumash knows everything, it certainly wasn’t used by Chazal to mean China because no one knew that China existed. And, if you want to tell me that Chazal knew everything (a debate that is really not relevant here), the name of the hat still wouldn’t reference China because the general populace didn’t know that China existed and wouldn’t be borrowing styles of hats from there.)

    #1152000
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    And, if you want to tell me that Chazal knew everything

    I don’t think anyone says that. I think when the gemara applies ??? ?’ ?????? to Chazal’s knowledge of the physical world, it means that Hashem reveals some (not all) hidden things to Chazal, so that it’s no wonder how they know certain facts not otherwise known.

    It doesn’t mean that they necessarily knew the Far Eastern haberdashery styles.

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