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August 26, 2015 2:14 am at 2:14 am #616263JosephParticipant
Yesterday, Time Magazine published an article entitled “What Two Religions Tell Us About the Modern Dating Crisis” by Jon Birger. Well worth a read. Compares a somewhat similar issue in the Mormon community of having an oversupply of women to men ratio to the shidduch crisis (Time uses that term) in the frum community.
August 26, 2015 5:07 am at 5:07 am #1098004☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲ParticipantSo, they also have this issue, despite not
having the cheirem d’Rabbeinu Gershom ?
August 26, 2015 5:18 am at 5:18 am #1098005JosephParticipantThey instituted their own cherem over 100 years ago, in order to allow Utah to become a State.
August 26, 2015 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1098006nishtdayngesheftParticipantThe article quotes the usual silly commentators who are intentionally out of touch with reality such as Sam Heilmann, Michael Saloman and Chananya Weisman. They should tell you how much intentional fictional information is included.
And based on the comments to the articles about the Mormons, it seems that the sources for information about them are similarly intent on prevarication.
So it may be an interesting article but you must consider that it, for a very large part, is based on the information provided by people with the specific intent of painting those communities in a bad light by way of prevarication.
August 26, 2015 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #1098007ItcheSrulikMemberLike most Time articles about minority cultures, it doesn’t say much worth reading.
August 26, 2015 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #1098008☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantLike most Time articles about minority cultures, it doesn’t say much worth reading.
I have found almost any article in the secular media relating to frum people, culture, or practice, to be inaccurate. I suspect the same is true about any minority culture.
In fact, I suspect it’s true about most subjects.
August 26, 2015 3:14 pm at 3:14 pm #1098009WolfishMusingsParticipantSo, they also have this issue, despite not
having the cheirem d’Rabbeinu Gershom ?
The LDS outlawed and repudiated polygamy over a century ago. Polygamists today are shunned by the mainstream LDS church.
The Wolf
August 26, 2015 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #1098010akupermaParticipantWhen someone complains about a “shiduch” crisis among a group that has a high birthrate, one should be skeptical. If women were having real trouble finding husbands, the birthrate would immediately start declining.
I suggest the “crisis” is no more than many man acting quite rationally and trying to get established economically during what is apparently, a mild long term depression.
August 26, 2015 5:35 pm at 5:35 pm #1098011☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantAkuperma, you continue to use the same flawed argument, although it has been pointed out to you numerous times.
August 26, 2015 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #1098012WiseyParticipantAkuperma:
Example
9 men 10 women
9 couples
Each couple 5 children
Population increases by 250% and still 10% women unmarried
Scenario repeats itself
August 26, 2015 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1098013akupermaParticipantWisey: 1) That’s not a crisis – society gets along fine
2) over time, the women will be less fussy;
3) Such a sex disparity is unlikely among Jews (or Mormons) unless something kills off a large number of men (such as a war)
4) To observe a real “shidduch crisis” look at India and China which allow (or at least tolerate) aborting female babies result in a very serious shortage of women – which is already causing serious social disruption
August 26, 2015 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1098014JosephParticipantThe Time article asserts a far larger number of Mormon men leave their religion than Mormon women. I wonder if there is a notable OTD gender disparity within Orthodoxy that may be playing a greater role in our marriageable gender gap that might be incorrectly being entirely attributed to the age gap when it is more of an OTD gap.
August 27, 2015 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1098015nishtdayngesheftParticipantJoseph,
I think the article mentions and dismisses that as significant.
August 27, 2015 12:58 am at 12:58 am #1098016JosephParticipantDid it? I hadn’t noticed it say that. Even if it had, I would hardly take a non Jewish journalists guess on how many male OTDs vs female OTDs there are.
August 27, 2015 1:09 am at 1:09 am #1098017☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantThey might both be true. An age gap/population growth combination would cause a disparity, and more boys leaving the fold (or even simply looking for wives outside of the mainstream shidduch scene, would cause a disparity.
If they’re both true, it makes the disparity worse.
August 27, 2015 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1098018nishtdayngesheftParticipantJoseph,
” I would hardly take a journalists guess or statement as having anything to do with reality”
Fixed that for you.
Your welcome.
August 27, 2015 1:51 am at 1:51 am #1098019👑RebYidd23ParticipantWhy would an article dismiss something as significant?
August 27, 2015 2:23 am at 2:23 am #1098020nishtdayngesheftParticipant“Insignificant”. Sorry about that. The terror of autocorrect and poor typing skills.
August 27, 2015 2:37 am at 2:37 am #1098021JosephParticipantDY: That’s true. Or, potentially, it may primarily be caused by far more male OTDs than female OTDs. (I read somewhere that females, across societies, tend to remain more pios/religious than males who are more likely than women to quit religion. It’s certainly true by Mormons. And I read an infamous OTD organization say that their clientele is majority men.) And the age gap may be a factor, albeit a minor one compared to the OTD gap. It would seem which is the primary factor remains, thus far, indeterminate.
August 27, 2015 2:40 am at 2:40 am #1098022JosephParticipant(I’m waiting for squeak to now jump in and yell, “I told you all this years ago!!”)
August 27, 2015 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1098023☕ DaasYochid ☕ParticipantOr it may primarily be age gap/population growth.
Neither issue precludes dealing with the other.
August 27, 2015 3:39 am at 3:39 am #1098024JosephParticipantIt may. Or it may not.
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