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February 22, 2017 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #619305LightbriteParticipant
Didn’t the OU need OO rabbis in order to make the statement against orthodox female rabbis?
BACKGROUND:
In Parsha Mishpatim, I learned that in the Torah, it says that the Beis Din needs a majority of at least two or more of the 23 judges to sentence someone to capital punishment.
According to Torah, a unanimous vote against or for something does not count. If it’s unanimous, then the trial lacked intellectual honesty because at least one judge would have looked at it from another angle.
IN TALMUD:
The Story of Rabbi Eliezer vs. Rabbi Joshua (and the Sages)
About the Clay Oven made of pieces – Can it become impure?
Excerpt from Chabad:
Rabbi Joshua stood on his feet and said: “‘The Torah is not in heaven!’1” … We take no notice of heavenly voices, since You, G?d, have already, at Sinai, written in the Torah to ‘follow the majority.
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February 22, 2017 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1217587mw13ParticipantAccording to Torah, a unanimous vote against or for something does not count. If it’s unanimous, then the trial lacked intellectual honesty because at least one judge would have looked at it from another angle.
I’m pretty sure that only applies to applying the death penalty to a particular person (which we don’t do today anyways).
(If every Jew in the world agrees that murder is forbidden, would that make it muttar?)
February 22, 2017 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1217588Avram in MDParticipantlightbrite,
According to Torah, a unanimous vote against or for something does not count. If it’s unanimous, then the trial lacked intellectual honesty because at least one judge would have looked at it from another angle.
I think the ruling that crabcakes are unkosher is unanimous, and it still counts.
February 22, 2017 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #1217589LightbriteParticipantOkay this was in a death sentence thing.
If my LOR read this he would probably be like “whoa that’s not what I said…”
But I wonder if there is a relation here.
A lifetime sentence saying that women cannot live this way. What if this is closer to that then crabcakes?
February 22, 2017 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #1217590LightbriteParticipantStill though… didn’t they have some panel and discussion where at least one rabbi (death penalty needs more than 2 but other cases need a greater majority… and this is Torah and now some hold higher standards) had ideas that somewhat differed?
February 22, 2017 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #1217591golferParticipantAs you were told, LB, what you’re referring to applies to sentencing a person to death.
In general, consensus on Halachic issues is not a bad thing, and is not indicative of any errors or miguided thinking.
February 22, 2017 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #1217592LightbriteParticipantOkay thank you. The end here. Thanks 🙂
February 22, 2017 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #1217593Lilmod UlelamaidParticipantWithout OO, there would be no women rabbis, so the issue wouldn’t exist.
I know you said the end, but I had in mind to write that from the beginning of the thread but I was very good and I read through the entire thread until I saw that you wrote the end.
Anyhow, it was a very important point of logic that no one else had made yet.
Okay. THE END!
February 22, 2017 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1217594Neville ChaimBerlinParticipantPlease insert all genius defense’s of Open Orthodox policy on this thread:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lets-make-yct-teshuvas-by-popa/page/3
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