June 25, 2021 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #1986407
@AAQ, I also never heard from any Rabbis who had a permissive opinion, how about actions speak louder then words? One shul opened right after Peasch 2020, second two week later, 3rd prior to shevous, obviously those rabbanim did their analizing and came to a conclusion that you or your idol Dr Fauci liked.
PS in this week parsha Bilam’s donkey gave his opinion you can be a donkey and have opinion too.
PSS where is your retractionJune 27, 2021 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1986601Avram in MDParticipant
“I agree that in normal circumstances, people should be davening in a shul.”
You went a bit further than that and said that if a person has resumed other normal activities, then (perhaps) he should also be davening in shul.
“I also think that current period allows for a range of opinions and it is not worth arguing about it.”
You said this in your last post and I already responded to it. A quick recap: 1. OP brought it up for discussion and debate, so we are obliging, and 2. OP specifically said that for him it wasn’t about Covid, so we’re already outside of your “range of opinions” which pertain to Covid. Had someone posted an OP saying he was still davening outdoors because he was concerned about Covid infection, my and others’ responses may well have been different. I probably would have either chosen not to respond, or would have asked him what criteria needed to be met for him to feel comfortable going back to shul and discussed from there.
“I stopped by an indoor minyan in a huge building, and the only persons, besides me, who had a mask was a medical doctor and an apparently unvaxed youngster, as the gabbai gave him a mask. Rabbis and lawyers did not have one… the rules were to have a mask up to several weeks ago …”
What is the relevance of this story to our discussion?June 27, 2021 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #1986605
>> I have friends who PRE COVID 1will not ever touch a shopping cart without bleaching it,
I am glad that you are blessed with good friends.June 27, 2021 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1986611
If that is your idea of necessary and rational care for germ exposure than it’s time you come clean and explain you are of an extreme minority of either OCD or germaphobes and your covid prevention views really have no bearing on real life or even other legitimately careful people. Had you made this clear from the start we would have known that this was not a reality based conversation and you could have saved us all a lot of time.June 27, 2021 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1986618
I did not say a word about myself. I did not wear a mask until last February.July 1, 2021 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1987848
@AAQ, “I did not say a word about myself. I did not wear a mask until last February.”
Thats the main difference betwwen you and I, I could not care less if you bunkered down in a desert island in middle of the South Pacific with MRE’s for 2 years or if all the YI’s decided to close, that is their issue not mine, my three shuls made a decision to reopen in May and June of last year how dear you disparge them.
PS my mask went on in March and came off in May of 2000July 1, 2021 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1987925
Common, I don’t know which words you don’t understand as you reply in generalities: those who were not careful increased propagation of COVID and contributed to 600K people in US dying. If you are meikel on that, you should expect less respect that people who are meikel on shabbos or kashrus.
As you did, I was going back to one shul last June, measured their air flows, opened windows. Then, half of the minyan would close windows and wear masks half-way despite (Lakewood-type) Rabbi’s instructions. When an elderly person came in and they continued the same way, I just did not see myself davening with a group like that.
PS The fact that I was instructed [by my wife] to wear a mask (on a plane) in mid-February, while CDC and common saychel decided in mid-March, was a proof who I should listen to :). Mi hu hahama – roa es hanolad.July 1, 2021 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm #1987984
@AAQ, Ok let me make it simple that even you can understand, I mind my own business and you mind your own business and quit telling people how to live their lifesJuly 1, 2021 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1988025
“If you are meikel on that, you should expect less respect that people who are meikel on shabbos or kashrus.”
AAQ- STOP MAKING UP FAKE HALACHOSJuly 1, 2021 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1988026
“As you did, I was going back to one shul last June, measured their air flows, opened windows. Then, half of the minyan would close windows and wear masks half-way despite (Lakewood-type) Rabbi’s instructions. When an elderly person came in and they continued the same way, I just did not see myself davening with a group like that.”
According to your incessant cries of murder, this scenario must have resiulted in several deaths. If it did, please tell me exactly how many people unfortunately passed in this exact minyan following this occurance . And if nobody did, than admit your murder theory is full of trash and SHUT UP about it already.July 2, 2021 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1988040
Syag, I am confused and intrigued – what exactly you don’t believe in the “murder theory”?
A. that people died? this is confirmed by “excess deaths” statistics by now…
B. that our actions affected how many people died? As a kid understood it, if the world would stay home for several weeks, the plague would have stopped. You said before that early period deaths were hard to avoid. This might be. But most deaths were later on, from fall 2020 to February 2021.
C. That your community consists of such tzadikim that melech hamaves skipped it? Still, can you rely on the miracle, and with some many Talmidei Chachamim passing, are you saying you are more deserving than them?
D. Maybe you are saying that this is just a small number of people who died – 2 in a 1,000 that it is barely noticeable and you can’t really connect their deaths with a specific behavior? Hashem does not have this problem though. Sad to think about a person who arrives to Olam Habo with a bunch of humros b’yado, prepared for questions: were you honest in business? I never wasted my time on that! Did you have a learning seder? every day, even during pandemic. Instead he is taken to the room with common criminals and shown a video: you coughed at your hevruta, then your hevruta coughed at his father, who coughed at Rosh Yeshiva ….July 2, 2021 1:21 am at 1:21 am #1988048
Thank you for once again avoiding responsibility for your comments. I asked you something why do you avoid answering it.July 2, 2021 9:18 am at 9:18 am #1988095
@AQ, You say you follow no one and answer to no one, you do you your own research and come up with your own conclusions, why is that ok for you but not ok for someone else to do the same?July 2, 2021 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #1988224
common > why is that ok for you but not ok for someone else to do the same?
absolutely, I am here to hear research and conclusions by other people. Please post your research or comment on mine. The thing I do not care about is expressing opinions without bothering bringing support to them.July 4, 2021 9:55 am at 9:55 am #1988407
@AAQ, “Please post your research or comment on mine. The thing I do not care about is expressing opinions”
I express my opinion with actions not word, therefore I never missed a minyan since covid, the first month in a outdoor minyan and since May 2020 daven in my regular shul indoors, Its a waste of time telling you why because you follow no one and answer to no one.
As to commenting on your opinion frankly I dont care what you think or do, there are people who never left the house since covid and other who never change routines, each to his/her ownJuly 4, 2021 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #1988448
>> Please post your research
> I express my opinion .. Its a waste of time telling you why
Look I admire your strength of convictions, but not your value of time. You continue posting your opinion multiple times that probably took you more time that sitting down once and explaining what made you think so.July 5, 2021 12:00 am at 12:00 am #1988507
Here is my full quote
“Its a waste of time telling you why because you follow no one and answer to no one.”
The day you start asking and following a moreh dasra is the day your going to get a detailed explanation
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