July 16, 2017 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1318368DovidBTParticipant
“Outdoor pets are different from indoor pets.”
Not if the owner lives in a Klein bottle.July 17, 2017 2:22 am at 2:22 am #1318452Avi KParticipant
Forshayer, it is not a good idea to give a dog chicken bones as they are small and can get stuck in his throat. I also hope for your neighbors’ sake that they did not bark.July 17, 2017 3:19 am at 3:19 am #1318461
כתיב [משלי טז ז] ברצות ה’ דרכי איש גם אויביו ישלים אתו ר’ אומר זה הכלב וריב”ל אומר זה הנחש רעייא חלבון חלב ואתא חיוויא ואכל מיניה והוה כלבא מסתכל ביה כד אתון ייכלון מישרי נבח בהון ולא אתבוננון בסופה אכיל ומית חד בר נש עביד תום שחיק גו בייתיה ואתא חיויא דטור ואכיל מיניה והוי חיויא דבית מסתכל ביה אתון בני בייתיה מיכל מיניה מישרי מתרתר עליהון עפר ולא אתבוננון וקלק גרמיה גוויה חד בר נש זמין חד רבן ואייתיב כלבא גביה א”ל ביזיון אנא חייב לך א”ל ר’ טיבו אנא משלם ליה שביין עלון לקרתא עאל חד מינהון בעא מינסב איתתי ואכל ביציו:
ירושלמי מסכת תרומות פרק ח
, According to the above Jerushalmi dog IS man’s best friend. but maybe only for talmidei !hachomim who know how to learn yerushalmi and not for superstitious am haratzim!!July 17, 2017 6:26 am at 6:26 am #1318458JosephParticipant
Avi, Forshayer was stuck between his wife and his neighbors. (That’s analogous to being stuck between a rock and a hard place.) Who do you think he should have chosen?!July 17, 2017 6:27 am at 6:27 am #1318466
Good dogJuly 17, 2017 6:40 am at 6:40 am #1318459my own kind of jewParticipant
“Pigs are hypocrites. They have cloven hooves but do not chew the cud. They are kosher outside but not inside. In any case, there is only a prohibition against owning non-kosher animals whose meat is eaten. It is part of the gezeira against making business out of non-kosher meat(as opposed to selling meat that was later found to be tereif).”
First of all, pigs are born that way. They didn’t choose to be made that way, nor did they create the rules which allowed them to be this kind of exception.
Secondly, that would imply deception on their part to want to be eaten…which I highly doubt many, if any at all, would actually want. Do you want to be eaten?July 17, 2017 8:32 am at 8:32 am #1318465ysamParticipant
The Rav of Holon, R. Avraham Yosef (sone of R. Ovadia z”l) states that it’s forbidden to own a dog because they inevitably bark – either at people, or they makes noise by barking even when confined. The barking causes distress to many people, sometimes very considerable distress. He cites the gemara that blames the barking of a dog for miscarriages, r”l, which inevetibly led to the loss of Yerushalayim.
Having grown up in a place where dogs were common, and having had a dog myself, this brought up an aspect that never occurred to me. But on reflection, I have neighbors with dogs in Ramat Beit Shemesh, and the barking (sometimes very aggressive barking) does occur at times and, it’s more than just annoying: I have seen children and even adults really scared by this. It’s also unpleasant when I knock on my neighbor’s door and their small dog barks at me. When they open the door, I have to stand back because this is intimidating, even thought they assure me that it’s ok because he’s harmless. In short, people are regularly pained significantly by barking, yet we have become accustomed in our culture to ignore the pain that this causes. Humans happen to be baalei chaim, so causing that pain amounts to tzar baalei chaim to us humans. This is relatively common, i.e., not something that happens rarely just to someone who is an istinis.July 17, 2017 8:44 am at 8:44 am #1318487
כתיב [משלי טז ז] ברצות ה’ דרכי איש גם אויביו ישלים אתו ר’ אומר זה הכלב . . . . . . . . חד בר נש זמין חד רבן ואייתיב כלבא גביה א”ל ביזיון אנא חייב לך א”ל ר’ טיבו אנא משלם ליה שביין עלון לקרתא עאל חד מינהון בעא מינסב איתתי ואכל ביציו:
ירושלמי מסכת תרומות פרק חJuly 17, 2017 9:00 am at 9:00 am #1318488ForshayerParticipant
Avi K, I said that they gave them Marach or Marrow Bones from the Cholent. I spent a week picking these bones up from all over the backyard thinking to myself that I gave up a pool season for this? In the end, I’m swimming daily and the memories are great.
I kept these dogs in a shed equipped with 2 mattresses that had been thrown out by my neighbors. The noise that woke up my neighbors was not from my girls.
I do admit that more than a few people were annoyed walking thru my path used as a shortcut to get to our Shul from Lyncrest Drive. I told everyone that the dogs belonged to the Rabbi, were just as much as they were members of the Shul, and they all got used to them. It was a most enjoyable experience for all.
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