October 2, 2019 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1790231lamud vov tzadikParticipant
There is meant to be suffering in the world and suffering can atone for sins but if there is meant to be suffering why is there enjoyment because that interferes with the suffering in other words why does God not give everyone the greatest amount of suffering and then the outcome will be the best because the more suffering there is brings a person even someone who is not religious closer to GodOctober 3, 2019 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1791128
Hashem does not give more pain than what one can take. He does not want one should sway from Him because of pain. It is better to do mitzvos from joy being done from love rather than sadness forcing one to do mitzvos from fear. When one repents from love, he converts his aveiros done purposely to mitzvos because he makes Hashem happy when he is happy whereas from fear, zadonos became shegogos.October 4, 2019 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1791251
The gemora tractate Brochos 5,2 says that they were against accepting pain from love, if it contributes to not being able to learn Torah. Pain from love brings us closer to Hashem getting punished in this temporary world rather than the next world.October 7, 2019 12:55 am at 12:55 am #1791689Sam KleinParticipant
I am on the same page as you and we should all follow on your pageOctober 18, 2019 1:27 am at 1:27 am #1793470☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
The gemora tractate Brochos 5,2 says that they were against accepting
pain from love, if it contributes to not being able to learn Torah.
This may be a misinterpretation. I haven’t learned it myself, but I’ve
heard it quoted as saying that it can be determined that suffering is
yissurei ahava if it does not disturb one’s learning.November 6, 2019 12:30 am at 12:30 am #1797768Burnt SteakParticipant
You can have enjoyment because of suffering. The following is my take. Its extreme and it is the ideal mindset that I am aiming for.
Hopefully this never happens to anyone. If you have ever been in a near death experience, you will know that pain is a reminder that you are still alive and the fact that you are alive brings joy because you can accomplish more in this world.
When I was a camp counselor for young boys, I was taught that if they are crying then they will eventually be alright. if they are in so much pain that they can not verbally express themselves then the situation is serious. Pain and suffering is a gift because it reminds us that we are still in this world and can improve.November 6, 2019 9:39 am at 9:39 am #1797833🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Great answer, and I totally agree with youNovember 6, 2019 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1797825
A rose among the thorns makes it grow sttaight. Pain helps us become rightous. It brings us closer to Hashem.November 7, 2019 12:39 am at 12:39 am #1798110klugeryidParticipant
Because then there would not be free willNovember 7, 2019 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #1798314☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
(Don’t expect any response from the OP.)
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