pain

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • #1790231

    lamud vov tzadik
    Participant

    There is meant to be suffering in the world and suffering can atone for sins but if there is meant to be suffering why is there enjoyment because that interferes with the suffering in other words why does God not give everyone the greatest amount of suffering and then the outcome will be the best because the more suffering there is brings a person even someone who is not religious closer to God

    #1791128

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Hashem does not give more pain than what one can take. He does not want one should sway from Him because of pain. It is better to do mitzvos from joy being done from love rather than sadness forcing one to do mitzvos from fear. When one repents from love, he converts his aveiros done purposely to mitzvos because he makes Hashem happy when he is happy whereas from fear, zadonos became shegogos.

    #1791251

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The gemora tractate Brochos 5,2 says that they were against accepting pain from love, if it contributes to not being able to learn Torah. Pain from love brings us closer to Hashem getting punished in this temporary world rather than the next world.

    #1791689

    Sam Klein
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer

    A+++
    I am on the same page as you and we should all follow on your page

    #1793470

    The gemora tractate Brochos 5,2 says that they were against accepting
    pain from love, if it contributes to not being able to learn Torah.

    This may be a misinterpretation. I haven’t learned it myself, but I’ve
    heard it quoted as saying that it can be determined that suffering is
    yissurei ahava if it does not disturb one’s learning.

    #1797768

    Burnt Steak
    Participant

    You can have enjoyment because of suffering. The following is my take. Its extreme and it is the ideal mindset that I am aiming for.

    Hopefully this never happens to anyone. If you have ever been in a near death experience, you will know that pain is a reminder that you are still alive and the fact that you are alive brings joy because you can accomplish more in this world.

    When I was a camp counselor for young boys, I was taught that if they are crying then they will eventually be alright. if they are in so much pain that they can not verbally express themselves then the situation is serious. Pain and suffering is a gift because it reminds us that we are still in this world and can improve.

    #1797833

    Great answer, and I totally agree with you

    #1797825

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    A rose among the thorns makes it grow sttaight. Pain helps us become rightous. It brings us closer to Hashem.

    #1798110

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Op
    Because then there would not be free will

    #1798314

    (Don’t expect any response from the OP.)

Viewing 10 posts - 1 through 10 (of 10 total)
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.