Pareve versions of dairy foods are not worth the calories.

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  • #618621
    👑RebYidd23
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    Just don’t get fleishig.

    #1191014
    Meno
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    Except Toffuti. I never understood how they do it

    #1191015
    MDG
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    Trader Joes has really good ice cream: 1) vanilla and 2) cherry chocolate chip

    #1191016
    golfer
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    Please check labels; read ingredients and nutrition information.

    Pareve versions of dairy foods are often very high in trans fats (aka hydrogenated oils). From a nutritional standpoint these foods are completely useless and extremely harmful.

    But they taste good so does it really matter 🙂

    #1191017
    👑RebYidd23
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    They don’t taste good. Milchig tastes good. Pareve whipped cream tastes like margarine mixed with corn syrup, water and emulsifiers. Oh wait.

    #1191018
    flatbusher
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    It’s a matter of taste. Tofutti ice cream yes, but cheese slices? feh.

    #1191019
    I. M. Shluffin
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    TJ’s parve vanilla is incredible. Someone should sponsor some for the OP.

    #1191020
    akuperma
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    Parve “milk” (typically made from soy or almonds) tends to have less calories then even “Skim milk”.

    #1191021
    iacisrmma
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    However, for people who are lactose intolerant, these products are very useful.

    #1191022
    👑RebYidd23
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    Why would a lactose intolerant person enjoy eating a tasteless reminder that they can’t enjoy most dairy? And why can’t they use lactose-free dairy products?

    #1191023
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    You’re really talking about desserts. I made almond milk country gravy and it came out OK, but I am a staunch opponent of parve desserts. FFB’s seem to be conditioned to love them, but it’s very difficult to train yourself as an adult to be able to palette parve desserts.

    #1191024
    iacisrmma
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    RebYidd23: Because not all dairy products are produced in a lactose-free version. I PERSONALLY have a family member who is thankful for these products.

    #1191025
    iacisrmma
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    NC: I am not sure why you are a “staunch opponent”. FFB’s are not “conditioned” to love them. We have away to enjoy them so we do. We are not “Pavlov’s dogs”.

    #1191026
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Wow, we trolled someone without even trying…

    #1191027
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Some pareve ice creams are yum! I often buy pareve ice cream even when I’m milchiks, because some of them taste very good.

    It’s really hard to find good pareve chocolate though, which is very annoying, since chocolate is more of a necessity than ice cream is.

    #1191028
    golfer
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    I was surprised too Neville C, at how upset iacis got with you.

    Lately everyone around here takes everything so seriously…

    I can see all the existential angst coming into play when deliberating, for example, women’s roles in Gan Eden and the like.

    But lest any of us lose our solemnity for a moment when discussing, for instance, pareve ice cream… beware!

    I for one did not take offense when you suggested you were staunchly opposed to pareve desserts. And I also did not consider the possibility that you were going to boycott or harass or attack (verbally or otherwise) those who might on occasion consume them.

    (I’ve also heard non-FFB’s complain that they can’t get used to, of all things, gefilte fish! A food, I might add, that many FFB’s I know prefer to avoid.)

    #1191029
    👑RebYidd23
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    I can make lactose free dairy products if I want to.

    #1191030
    iacisrmma
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    Golfer: you mean these threads aren’t serious? Oh well. BTW, if you read my response I was bothered by the term ‘conditioned’ to love them.

    #1191031
    Agantzyoorpeerim
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    Pareve is great. It is the Shvil Ha’Emtza in food. If a person eats only gezunte food he will end up dying gezunterheit!!!

    #1191032
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    I’m lactose intolerant so I can only eat pareve foods. It’s awesome because I generally don’t have to wait to eat them after fleishing.

    Ben & Jerry’s has pareve ice cream now too! Granted, it’s DE, but still delicious and worth the wait 🙂

    #1191033
    Meno
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    “Ben & Jerry’s has pareve ice cream now too!”

    It’s like 6 bucks for a pint

    #1191034
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “Ben & Jerry’s has pareve ice cream now too! Granted, it’s DE, but still delicious and worth the wait :)”

    Do they sell it in Eretz Yisroel?

    #1191035
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Hmmm… dunno, hopefully if not now then soon. I saw an online petition asking Ben & Jerry’s to bring it to the UK. Maybe we can petition for them to bring it to Israel.

    LU: Are you in EY? Want me to mail you some?

    Have you had their charoset ice cream? That sounds so yummy

    #1191036
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Charoset ice cream? That sounds gross! I love charoset and I love Ice cream, but I don’t see how they go together.

    I’m wondering about the DE thing. If something is DE, does it have to be Cholov Yisroel for people who are makpid on Cholov Yisroel? (I’m not completely makpid, but I try to be makpid for everything but chocolate. I was also wondering in case I wanted to bring it as a Shaboos gift.)

    #1191037
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Yes, I’m in EY. They do sell Ben & Jerry’s here, but I don’t know if they have the pareve one or not. I suppose I could check in the store if I really want to. Probably easier than you’re mailing it to me.

    #1191038
    TheGoq
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    It seems neville is parve dessert intolerant.

    #1191039
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    I’m wondering about the DE thing. If something is DE, does it have to be Cholov Yisroel for people who are makpid on Cholov Yisroel?

    Some are and some are not makpid. Don’t bring a DE item as a gift unless you know they are not makpid.

    #1191040
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    “I’m wondering about the DE thing. If something is DE, does it have to be Cholov Yisroel for people who are makpid on Cholov Yisroel?”

    lilmod ulelamaid: That’s such a good question!

    DaasYochid: Does that mean that there is such a thing as Cholov-Yisroel-DE?

    #1191041
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    In theory, but I’ve never seen it on packaged goods. It certainly exists in the home.

    People who are makpid on DE for cholov Yisroel would need to have either something marked as cholov Yisroel or pareve.

    #1191042
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    If someone is makpid on cholov yissrol for DE, wouldn’t that mean that they don’t eat at people’s homes who use cholov stam? I have never heard of someone who doesn’t eat at someone’s house who uses cholov stam (except maybe Lubavitchers).

    #1191043
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    They could make sure nothing was made on keilim b’nei yomon.

    #1191044
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    good point! I hadn’t thought of that.

    #1191045
    WinnieThePooh
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    Anyone who has an aversion to parve desserts has not tried my coffee toffee pie (an old Mishpacha recipe). so rich and yum, you can barely finish your piece!

    #1191046
    minyan gal
    Member

    Winnie, please don’t tease us. Post the recipe please.

    #1191047
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    WinnieThePooh: I can help finish other people’s pieces if you want

    #1191048
    Neville ChaimBerlin
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    Lilmod, they just wouldn’t eat from the dairy part of people’s homes. From what I’ve observed, I think Lubavitchers actually WILL eat chalav stam DE. But, I’ve heard an interpretation that, even if you do eat chalav stam DE, you shouldn’t do so with OU hechshered things because you can never truly know that it’s just DE as they don’t differentiate.

    After that YWN article about how the Rav Moshe heter no longer applies and how the OU admits that we’re back to choosing between the Chasam Sofer and the Pri Chadash, I’m hard pressed to understand why more people don’t avoid chalav stam DE. If you hold it as a halachah, not just chumrah, that equipment is treif for you.

    #1191049
    iacisrmma
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    Neville: I don’t know if some Lubavitch eat Cholov Stam or not. However they do hold that “DE” is considered completely “Dairy” as opposed to others who will eat “DE” after eating meat.

    As for the OU, they do not use the designation DE on anything. At times, they will use the “D” designation even though the product is Pareve. You can call the OU about an individual product and they will give you the current status of that product (e.g. certain types of Oreo cookies).

    I am also not sure if your last statement is accurate.

    #1191050
    Meno
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    “However they do hold that “DE” is considered completely “Dairy” as opposed to others who will eat “DE” after eating meat.”

    I was under the impression it was a straightforward halacha that DE (i.e. pareve food that was cooked in a clean pot in which dairy food was cooked in the last 24 hours) is not completely dairy.

    #1191051
    iacisrmma
    Participant

    meno: There is Halachah and there is chumrah. The Lubavitch have a chumrah that they recognize the DE designation on a product as dairy. I do not know what they do in their own homes with their own pots and pans.

    #1191052
    flatbusher
    Participant

    You know, I think most foods are not worth the calories, not just the pareve dairy.

    #1191054
    Spunk
    Member

    Just as an interesting note I have had roommates for a few years in the past and the only prospective roommate who took issue with my DE (non cholov yisroel) toaster oven was Chabad. Anyone else who was looking to join the apartment(I recall one from Sfardi background and one who was Ashkenaz- from Eastern European background) had no problem with using the toaster that had also been used with non- cholov yisrael foods.

    #1191055
    WinnieThePooh
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    minyan gal – do you really want the recipe? It is quite long- there is a crust and then the toffee part and then a coffee whip cream on top. Right now I don’t have the time, but if you really want it I will post it tomorrow IYH.

    #1191056
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    What about a marzipan version of a dairy food? Like instead of milk chocolate filled with milk chocolate, dark chocolate filled with marzipan?

    #1191057
    minyan gal
    Member

    WinnieThePooh, when you have the time, I would absolutely love to have the recipe. I am always looking for something new and interesting. My son-in-law has a real sweet tooth and dessert is his favorite course of any meal. In fact, dessert – for him – is often the main course.

    #1191058
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    minyan gal: In my dreams I am your son-in-law

    #1191059
    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Here goes:

    Coffee Toffee Chocolate Pie

    preheat oven to 350F (180C)

    Crust: 1 1/4 C rolled oats

    1/3 C margarine (I use oil)

    1/2 C brown sugar

    1/2 C ground pecans or walnuts

    1 oz (28 g) grated chocolate (I use potato peeler to scrape a square of baker’s chocolate)

    1 tsp vanilla extract

    combine above, press into 9 inch round springform pan or tart pan. bake 15 min.

    Toffee filling

    1 C margarine (I use oil)

    4 oz (115 g) bittersweet chocolate

    4 eggs beaten

    2 C confectioner’s sugar

    2 tsp vanilla extract

    Melt margarine and chocoalte in double boiler. stir in beaten eggs, slowly stir in sugar until smooth. remove from flame, then add vanilla, stir until smooth, pour on top of crust. freeze until firm.

    Topping

    1 8oz container parve whipping cream

    1 tsp coffee, dissolved in 1 tsp vanilla extract

    1 1/2 Tbsp vanilla sugar

    beat the whip until soft peaks form, add in coffee/vanillas. smooth over the tofee, refreeze.

    decorate with crushed Viennese Crunch, shredded chocolate or chocolate curls.

    Enjoy and don’t forget to save a piece for lightbrite.

    #1191060
    minyan gal
    Member

    Winnie: Thank you so much for taking the time to post your recipe. It is chock full of yummy ingredients, so how can it be anything else. I shall try it in the very near future. I can picture my wonderful son-in-law eating it and nodding “yes”.

    Lightbrite, there is always enough dessert, so drop by anytime. We love guests at the table.

    #1191061
    Spunk
    Member

    Sounds amazing tasting!

    #1191062
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    WinnieThePooh: “Enjoy and don’t forget to save a piece for lightbrite.”

    !!!! I’m so flattered and in awe.

    minyan gal: Heart you! <3

    Thank you thanks… such a yummy recipe. May it be delicious and nutritious 🙂

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