September 7, 2014 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #613608orange u gladParticipant
is it bad to put an old parking ticket on the windshield instead of putting a quarter in the meter to ‘trick’ the police into thinking u got a ticket already? (in brooklyn ny)September 7, 2014 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #1031687
Of course it’s bad, but I like it. (I don’t drive.)September 7, 2014 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #1031688
They’ll usually look at the ticket. If it is old they’ll usually give another ticket.September 7, 2014 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1031689
So you’re supporting the city. What would theydo without you?September 8, 2014 2:10 am at 2:10 am #1031690TheGoqParticipant
trollSeptember 8, 2014 3:01 am at 3:01 am #1031691☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
No, Goq, you can’t use an old ticket to avoid paying at the troll booth.September 8, 2014 3:52 am at 3:52 am #1031692
You can use an old MetroCard or passport.September 8, 2014 7:18 am at 7:18 am #1031693takahmamashParticipant
Off the top of my head, that would be a violation of two issurim – one against theft, one about dina d’malchuta dina. There may be others. Why not ask your LOR and see what he says?September 8, 2014 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #1031694
No, you’re not stealing. Quite the opposite, you’re donating to the city yet preserving their dignity by calling it a fine!September 9, 2014 2:49 am at 2:49 am #1031695
While not feeding the meter might arguably be called “theft”, putting an old ticket on your windshield doesn’t break any law.September 9, 2014 8:17 am at 8:17 am #1031696takahmamashParticipant
While not feeding the meter might arguably be called “theft” . . .
It certainly is theft. By not feeding the meter one is using a public space which one is not entitled to use without payment. Those funds belong to the city. That’s theft.September 9, 2014 11:50 am at 11:50 am #1031697
Takah: If someone got stuck in the doctors office longer than anticipated and overstayed at the meter, must he feed the meter before driving off for the time he missed paying? Does it matter if he was already ticketed or not? If ticketed, can he plead not guilty (on a technicality or whatever) or must he plead guilty and pay the fine?September 9, 2014 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1031698WolfishMusingsParticipant
Takah: If someone got stuck in the doctors office longer than anticipated and overstayed at the meter, must he feed the meter before driving off for the time he missed paying?
Actually, feeding the meter in this instance is illegal too.
Keep in mind that the reason for parking meters is *NOT* to raise revenue. The reason is to regulate the turnover of parking spots. As such, if the sign says “1 Hour Parking” you are not allowed to park there for more than one hour, even if you do keep putting money in the meter. If the traffic agent notices that you’ve been there for too long (as sometimes they mark the time on tires in chalk), they will ticket you, whether you’ve put in for the extra time or not.
In short, you can only park there for the maximum time noted. If it says “1 Hour Parking” then you can only park for 1 hour; if it says “6 Hour Parking” then you can park for a maximum of six hours.
The WolfSeptember 9, 2014 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1031699
The city’s right to the space is questionable.September 9, 2014 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #1031700newhereParticipant
“It certainly is theft. By not feeding the meter one is using a public space which one is not entitled to use without payment. Those funds belong to the city. That’s theft.”
Says who? The city strongly prefers you don’t pay the meter so they can ticket you. It’s not “illegal” to park without paying. It’s a very simple rule. You can pay or risk getting ticketed.September 9, 2014 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #1031701yaakov doeParticipant
I believe Rav Moshe said that one is obligated to pay a meter since not to pay is theft of a service that the city provides.September 9, 2014 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #1031702newhereParticipant
“I believe Rav Moshe said that one is obligated to pay a meter since not to pay is theft of a service that the city provides.” Source?September 11, 2014 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #1031703oomisParticipant
I won’t debate the legality of paying or not paying a meter, but exactly what sevice is being provided? People SHOULD be able to park on the street, and if there are not enough spaces, then more levels if parking spots should be built, like a parking garage.
We pay enough in taxes and other revenue to the City of New York, that we should be able to park our cars (legally, of course), without being hassled. When you have a meter that gives you 20 minutes to a half hour per quarter, that is outrageous. Even worse, is when there is a meter that runs for a maximum of 2 hours in a place such as a movie theater where the patrons will need parking for way more than the 2 hours.
I recognize that some people will take advantage, but the solution is to make more parking available to everyone, not to gouge people for meter money and fines. it once cost me $20 to prove that the meter was defective, (and that’s what they count on, that no one will fight back, but will just pay the ticket), that it went from 1 hour to zero in 40 minutes. I was away from my car 45 minutes or less. I fought back and won on appeal, but the registered letters, photos, etc. cost me. Still, it was my money, not the City’s. This was the second time something like this happened. I am tired of the DOT or whoever it is, taking advantage of us.
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