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There is a story going around about an ex-chassid who was trying to raise money for Chai Lifeline.
Someone offered him $1000 for the Charity if he would keep One Shabbos.
If someone is Paid to keep shabbos does it count , Is there a Mitzvah to keep shabbos for money?
Is that difference than “paying” someone to be more jewish through alcohol, free food, and events? Chabad and Aish do that.
I don’t know about a Mitzvah (probably does count; don’t see why not), but not being M’challel Shabbos is still a huge gain. Worth more than all the money in the world.
Does it matter? Are you going to tell him “since you’re only doing it because you’re getting paid, don’t keep Shabbos?”
The mitzvah is to not do melachah on Shabbos. I don’t see why the reason makes a difference. It doesn’t matter if you didn’t do melachah because you were paid not to, because you didn’t want to, or because you were tied up in the basement all Shabbos and unable to do any. The bottom line is that no melachah was done.
The Wolf
The Ra’av (Bartenura) indicates that one only receives reward for refraining from a lav which tempted him. (Makos 3:15)
It seems that motivation does matter.
Certainly, he won’t get punished for being mechallel Shabbos, but neither will he get schar (and even if he does, as the poshut pshat in the Mishna seems, it wouldn’t be as much as for someone whose motivation was purer).
Let’s also keep in mind that he’s not doing this for private gain, but rather to raise money for tzedakah. That’s got to count for something too.
The Wolf
DY: but its a machlokes whether mitzvos even tzrichois kavanah.
Mitoch shelo lishma, ba lishma
OK, Wolf, he’ll get schar for raising money for CL.
It’s for a good cause. If it hadn’t been for that thousand dollars he would not have qualified to enter the marathon, and the other three thousand he’d raised would not have gone to Chai Lifeline. At the very least it has reduced suffering, comforted the sick and possibly saved lives.
Any different than paying someone to lain/davening/sound shofar?
Query why he is doing it.
I just Googled the story. Apparently the person making money to “keep” Shabbos is an Apikores. So he probably still gets a slightly smaller Onesh, but his Chelek in Olam Haba is still 0.
SF, yes, there’s a difference between doing an asay and refraining from a lo sa’asay.
RF, how is that relevant?
Sam, if so, r”l, I retract my earlier comment to Wolf.
Sam, if so, r”l, I retract my earlier comment to Wolf.
Why? It’s abundently clear from Chazal that *everyone* — from the biggest tzaddik to the worst rasha, are rewarded for the good they do. Why should he be any different?
The Wolf
Wolf, I don’t think that applies to those about whom it’s said “ein lo chelek l’olam haba”.
Wolf, I don’t think that applies to those about whom it’s said “ein lo chelek l’olam haba”.
Why would you say that? One of the fundamental tenets of our religion is that God rewards the good done for Him. Even if the reward is in this world, He still rewards those who do good.
The Wolf
Wolf
What about one who regrets the good deeds that he did?
DY: Wolf makes a good point. There is no Chelek in Olam Haba, but Mistama he gets S’char for the Tzedaka.
I won’t claim to know the Cheshbonos of the RBSO, but if you would take the fact that an Apikores is Dino K’goy to its logical conclusion, then maybe he can only get S’char like a Goy, in which case he would (according to Pashut P’shat and Tosfos; though other Rishonim do argue) only get S’char if he did it Lishmah and not to make any money off it.
If we take Wolf’s words literally, we have an answer. To quote Wolf, “One of the fundamental tenets of our religion is that God rewards the good done for Him.”
Someone who doesn’t believe in Him certainly didn’t do “good for Him”.
However, the phrase “ein HKB”H mekapeiach s’char kol berya” doesn’t say that it has to be for Him, so maybe Sam’s right that there is s’char.
If that s’char, though, is limited to *this* world, it’s not a contradiction to “ein lo chelek l’olam haba”.
In this case, I suspect that the whole thing is just another attention grabbing ploy. Maybe his s’char will be the attention he gets.
ZD, one difference is that (usually) the people getting paid to learn like learning, but what you’re talking about is bribing someone to do something he doesn’t want to.
“his Chelek in Olam Haba is still 0”
Apparantly he tried to sell even that, but Ebay stopped the bidding (that reached 100k) because he was selling something “intangible”.
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