February 14, 2013 4:22 am at 4:22 am #608206
ok so everyyyone knws the segulah 4 sayng perek shira for 4o days straight for a shidduch for S/O (not me!! im still nice and young!!)
so does this always work?? cuz i did it for almost 40 days alredy.. and nothn doin..
did anyone ever do it and itt did or didnt work?February 14, 2013 7:52 am at 7:52 am #930611
U hav 2 say it at the kosel for 40 days 4 it 2 rllly workFebruary 14, 2013 8:32 am at 8:32 am #930612MammeleParticipant
I never heard about the kosel requirement.
But you seem impatient. First finish, then wait a little more before you decide it’s not working. Sometimes a shidduch starts cooking at the other end and you’re unaware.
Also, dividing hours (between family/friends) to cover all 24 hours so at least someone is abstaining from l”h at all times can be very successful. I don’t remember how long it needs to be done for (ideally, always…). Good luck!February 14, 2013 10:41 am at 10:41 am #930613PosterMember
for it to “work”. This is not a quick fix. Perek Shira is a beautiful thing to say and it can be an added zechus for you. You cant rely on it, you have to rely on HashemFebruary 14, 2013 11:28 am at 11:28 am #930614JayMatt19Participant
dunt u need 2 walk arund da wallz of da old sity 40 timez per dayy each and evury day b4 saying da sheera?February 14, 2013 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #930615ToiParticipant
people. please stop.February 14, 2013 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #930616popa_bar_abbaParticipant
In my opinion, it should really only work if you also blow 40 shofars from rams that each were herded around the old city 40 times while the herders said the part of perek shira that rams say.February 14, 2013 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #930617
okk i dont know if this is meant to be funny, bt i find it rude so ill just ignore it..
and, poster, i know!!! its almost 40 days and e/os alwaays like ya i got engaged on the 40th day.. i rlly want it 2 work!! anyone out there wana volenteer 2 be my bro in law??February 14, 2013 12:43 pm at 12:43 pm #930618Torah613TorahParticipant
Very impressed you managed to say it every day for so long, Purple. I have no doubt that you will get into the seminary of your dreams one day!February 14, 2013 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #930619golferParticipant
Popa- That would be unblemished male rams, 40 days old, that never carried a yoke. (Or was that yolk?)
Surprised at you, Popa. Should’ve known that.February 14, 2013 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #930620mercuryMember
i have to agree with poster on this one. i am all for segulos. i think ive tried like every single one to help me find a shidduch. and i still got married at age 27- way later then all my friends and even girls i used to babysit. to rely on a segulah in my opinion is borderline apikorsis. as stated before it is not the segulah itself that brings yeshua it is the hope that whatever zechus this segulah has, Hashem will help bring the yeshua quicker. people have to be careful because it is like testing Hashem. sometimes segulos work sometimes they dont and we have no way of knowing when or if they will. but that doesnt mean you should stop saying perek shira after 40 days. by all means keep saying it even if its not bringing the results your hoping for. i said it for 2 years! and who knows how many other shidduchim i made in that time or how many people I helped find parnasah or have a refua shelaima. i know how badly you must feel tho. so heres the best advice you will ever get: my teacher in bais yaakov said to me the best segulah for anything and everything is tefilla from your heart. so if you really need something tell Hashem directly in YOUR OWN WORDS that you need it. perek shira is nice. but what Hashem really wants is to hear the words coming from you. i cant tell you how many times this segulah has worked for me. wishing you much hatzlachaFebruary 14, 2013 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm #930621
of course i daven too!! a lot…
thanx!! u bet its tuff… im prob not doing it the best way possible cuz sometimes say it at nt and sometimes in morn.. bt always mke sure same halacha day..February 14, 2013 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #930622
and i sure hope so abt sem!!! i also dont wana go 2 any place where u need pull.. even tho i wud have my principles.. hate that idea!! just a lil random..February 14, 2013 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #930623
If you don’t know what you are saying I cant see any segulah working. The point is to say it with Kavannah and the zchus not just of reading it, but of you becoming a changed person by reading it, will be a zchus for the intended person that they get engaged. If you are the same person before and after its a waste of time. Sorry.February 14, 2013 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #930624
im not sure why u wud think im not benefiting from it.. i luv saying it.. i say it in english every other day and hebrew every other day… so i know what im saying when i say the hebrew.. it has incredible meaning 4 me BH.. i feel Hashems power cuz if all the animals and natures praising Him, He must be kind, and benevolent..February 14, 2013 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #930625
Perek Shira rox! Iv’e been saying it since not this past Rosh Hashona but the Rosh Hashona b4 and it really works! Pple that Iv’e davened for have gotten married. Someone I know needed money and i davended for them and they got money. I say it every day.February 14, 2013 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #930626
I read it in in Hebrew and sometimes after reading the Hebrew I read the English. But, it’s more powerful to say it in Hebre. So, I always usually say it in Hebrew.February 14, 2013 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #930627
i have no fear.. Hashem knows what im saying!!February 15, 2013 12:13 am at 12:13 am #930628
Of course. Hashem knows everything. But, it gives it more power to the words.February 15, 2013 2:56 am at 2:56 am #930629
not to me right now.. batshevayocheved- u sed u did the segula for dif ppl.. first of all wow u deserve a round of applause!! number two when did they get engaged? happ very soon after 40 days or even a few months?
it wud be rlly cool if worked asap cuz then well all see Hashems hand!!February 15, 2013 4:08 am at 4:08 am #930630HaLeiViParticipant
A Segula is like turning your radio to get better reception. It doesn’t help if nothing is being broadcast or if the plug is out.
Eating healthy helps you to be healthy. It doesn’t mean Hashem can’t do what He wants. Many people with healthy lifestyles died of heart attacks and strokes. A Segula is not more foolproof. You try it. If it helped, good; if not, you got to say Perek Shira. Don’t think there is any trick out there that can force Hashem into doing things your way.February 15, 2013 6:06 am at 6:06 am #930631
Guess what, you usually only hear about the people it worked for because they are all excited about it and they tell the world and the world tells their friends and families and little sisters and pet frogs and what not. Don’t get too caught up in the segulah craze. Listen to me, I don’t know your sisters age but the way Shidduchim work is that every has their right time. Its not just a thing people say, its real. There’s a specific second and moment in time when Hashem has in His plans that it would be best for your sister to get engaged. Some people Hashem decrees to get engaged right away some people have to date a few years. I know plenty of people that got engaged after 5-10 years of being in Shidduchim and they are so happy and they wouldn’t want to have married anyone else because they know that this guy or girl is the RIGHT ONE for them and their ideal person to build a mishkan with. Its very nice of you to want to help your sister and hopefully she will get engaged bekarov but don’t let the wait get you down. Hashem has a plan for everyone and everyone has their time. When she meets the right one she will know it and all the waiting and stress will fly out the window. You will see!February 15, 2013 6:08 am at 6:08 am #930632
mod please break up paragraphs Im on a phone and editing is a.big hassle. ThanksFebruary 15, 2013 6:44 am at 6:44 am #930633
wiy +1 on the long post
purple- i gotta agree with everyone here. Segulos are not like taking a week’s prescription to get rid of strep. Its an added zchus. Don’t say perek shira with the sole intend of your sister getting engaged. That can also lead you into a trap of writing it off, disappointment, etc. In the right time, she will find her zivug, b’ezras Hashem. It may be tomorrow, it may be in 10 yrs. We cannot know. Yes, Hashem hears your tefillos and He answers. But the answer may be ‘not yet’, and the zchus may go for something else, someone else… If you want an encouragement for this, you can look at it as perhaps for your 40 day cycle, she now has to date 1 less wrong boy.February 15, 2013 9:14 am at 9:14 am #930634
I have a perfect solution to this perek shira not working crisis. Let’s have WIY get engaged to Purple’s sister. If WIY isn’t interested, then we’ll give the zchus to yossi_z, we’ve been waiting for him to get engaged for awhile now. And if that fails, there’s always popa ^_^February 15, 2013 4:30 pm at 4:30 pm #930635
I already saw Hashem help me!! How old is your sister? Maybe I know someone!February 15, 2013 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #930636thehockMember
@ThePurpleOne – you can never know what good effects your sincere efforts cause, so keep it up – don’t get discouraged just because it doesn’t seem to be working like magic.
Back in the day when a sibling was in shidduchim and nothing was going anywhere, Shir Hashirim was the segulah of choice (Perek Shira hadn’t yet made it on the scene). I was told by someone who had done it to follow a very specific formula – 40 days, same approximate time (mincha), and to say the tefilla afterward with the bakasha and to insert the person’s name after “sha’as ha’azanah” (leploni/s ben/bas plonis). [Naturally, I forgot one day and wound up doing it for more than 40 days.]
While shortly after the end of the consecutive 40 days, this sibling got engaged – which was really nice – it’s only now, after years of appreciating the beautiful shalom bayis that they have, that I regret not having tried it for more people I care about.February 15, 2013 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #930637crisisoftheweekMember
Ahhhh…I love this time of year. The freezer opens and we get a whole bunch of people looking for magic tricks to solve their problems.February 15, 2013 7:04 pm at 7:04 pm #930638
ahh guys please do noot worry my sis is nooott “old”!!! bh shes still young!! 20 is not old, in my opinion!!February 15, 2013 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #930639
thepurpleone- so why are you pushing her outta the house?? :)jokingFebruary 17, 2013 7:08 am at 7:08 am #930640
umm my own room?? lol jk im guna miss her tonzzz bt cmon?? a bro inlaw + wedding?? and nieces and nefews??February 17, 2013 10:47 am at 10:47 am #930641
Would having popa_bar_abba as a bro-in-law make you happy? He’s probably not as crazy as he sounds in real life. For all we know, pba is a 70 year old lady, purple is too, which would make Purple’s 75 year-old sister a perfect shidduch for popa…February 17, 2013 11:26 am at 11:26 am #930642
hey purple, patience! 🙂 and treasure her while she’s aroundFebruary 17, 2013 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #930643
noo ur getting da story all wrong!! im rlly a 70 yr old MAN!! w a long white beard thats dyed green.. even tho my names purple..
well i have alredy 2 mos of dating then 3 mos for engagement then theyll still visit plenty often dw!! rebbetzin kanievskys daughter gave her a bracha that iyh by pesach!! whohhooo!! so excited!!February 17, 2013 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #930644
Purple – I’ve held myself back from commenting on this thread for a while, but I really can’t any more. Firstly, segulos in general need to be treated with great care – they need proper mekoros miyomim yomimo, not simply brochures from tzedaka organisations. Perek shira, according to Rav Elyahiv, does not have a mekor outside of its own introduction. Secondly, they need to be used in the correct way and most definitely NOT as a quick-fix to Any Given Problem. They also need to be recognized as not being foolproof and that, regardless of how many times you go somewhere or say something, ultimately it is HKB’H who runs the world. If not there are serious problems of issurim d’oraysa (see R’ Yaakov Hillel’s Tomim Tihyeh for further details). Unfortunately there seems to be a trend nowadays of pulling segulos out from hats, the more irrational and illogical the better. They’ve also been commercialised, appropriated by tzedaka organisations who claim to hold the sole key to the gate of yeshuos, openable by them for a small fee.
I can tell you from experience that there is only one truly foolproof segula and that is tefilla. Pure and simple. Doesn’t matter where or for how many days. I did shir hashirim for 40 days, I did perek shira for 40 days, I did the Kosel for 40 days, I did all three together. I tried Iggeres HaRamban (wherein he is mavtiach that one who says it HKB’H will be ‘mekayem mish’alos libo’ that very day). And guess what? H’ said “not yet”. Nearly 3 years later I realised why when I met my wife who is a few years younger than me. Because HKB’H knows what He’s doing, and to quote 2 nice Jewish boys from New York: “G-d only knows, G-d has his plan and the destination is not revealed to the mortal man.”
As far as brochos go (and I didn’t know Gedolim’s daughters were in the business now too…), they’re also not actual havtochos. I’m not sure why R’ Chaim Kanievsky’s daughter would be more efficacious than R’ Chaim himself, who gave me a brocho that I would get engaged during a certain year; I didn’t. Brochos are not guarantees so please don’t get so excited so soon.
As far as your reasons for wanting your sister to get married, I hate to say it but they are really rather superficial, immature and actually a bit selfish. You want a nice wedding to go to, but marriage is what happens after the chasuna and entails what we in the trade call “real-life”. You want a brother-in-law – what for?! You want nieces and nephews, which is all very nice but you won’t be the one raising these children. You admit that your sister is still young, so maybe give her time. Maybe she isn’t quite ready just yet.
Sof kol sof, your sister is young. She isn’t on the shelf. There is no reason for you to be so desperate. No reason to try every segula in the brochure. If you want to see her happy, just daven. And if it doesn’t happen in the time-frame you think it should, don’t worry – maybe, just maybe, HKB’H knows something you don’t.February 17, 2013 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm #930645
whoa.. thanx for calling me selfish that was quite sweet of u.. made my day..February 17, 2013 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #930646
jmh- very very well said, thanks for not keeping quietFebruary 17, 2013 8:15 pm at 8:15 pm #930647
purple- not that your selfish, but that your desire for her to be married is for you, from what you said. I know you want her to be happy really, but in your fun reply to me, you only mentioned the others and thats what he’s pointing to. If you know it’s not true, skip the message. If part may be, take whatever mussar’s applicable. Dont be offended though, i dont think it was a personal attack.
But it’s true, a bracha is not a promise, segulos are risky ground. Daven for her to have clarity in her dating and an easy time, without too much agmas nefesh, and b’ezras Hashem in the right time she will find the right oneFebruary 17, 2013 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #930648
Purple – Sorry, don’t take it personally, but it’s true. Your stated reasons were all self-centred, hence your reasons selfish. I was not calling you a selfish person, simply saying that you had failed to take anyone but yourself into account. If people can’t point out when others are behaving in a manner that could be improved for fear of not ‘validating their feelings’ or some such then nobody would ever grow. I hate to burst your normally carefree bubble but you are approaching this issue with superficial and, I hate to say it again, slightly selfish motives. I was merely trying to point that out so that you could re-evaluate your approach and see that maybe you have no need to get so desperate. Your sister’s marriage is not about you having a good time at a wedding and you need to appreciate that. Please accept this in the spirit in which it was intended.February 17, 2013 9:42 pm at 9:42 pm #930649
Purple – And please try and accept the other points that I made too vis-a-vis segulos and davening. They really are important to understand, and I wouldn’t want you to ignore them simply because you think I insulted you personally (something I did not wish to do).February 17, 2013 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #930650supermeMember
Rebbtzein batsheva kanievsky a”H said to daven all 3 tefellios a day meaning shacaris mincha and maariv for40 straight days…the girl whose in shidducgim shld say it if u hav her biography book from artscrol it’s says it in the back hatzlachaFebruary 18, 2013 10:38 am at 10:38 am #930651
superme – I don’t think it’s the 40 days that’s important so much as the davening 3 times a day.
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