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  • #614758

    Goldilocks
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    Someone once told me I’m not allowed to knit on Motzei Shabbos.

    Does anyone know of a source for this?

    Also, what about hook-rug projects?

    #1057013

    MDG
    Participant

    Never heard anything like that. Ask that person for the source.

    #1057014

    oomis
    Participant

    Never ever heard such a thing.

    #1057015

    TheGoq
    Participant

    If you are hooked on rugs please seek help immediately!

    #1057016

    writersoul
    Member

    Why on earth should you not be able to knit?

    Great choice, btw- so relaxing.

    #1057017

    Did a little research:

    See Halichot bat Yisrael, p. 230 and fn. 241 (Hebrew

    edition)

    Rabbi Ari Enkin (from AishDas)

    *********************************

    There is some discussion in halachic literature of a custom for women not to perform certain labors on Motzaei Shabbat, such as sewing and

    knitting.[1] The origin of this custom is related to the legend that when Mashiach comes there will no longer be a need to sew clothes. As there is an increased potential for Mashiach to arrive on a Motzaei Shabbat, the custom of refraining from sewing on Motzaei Shabbat evolved accordingly.

    Other authorities argue there is no such custom for women not to do certain forms of work on motzaei Shabbat, at least not one which is based in any classical sources, and women are free to dismiss the custom should they so desire.[2]

    Closely related to the custom of not sewing on motzaei Shabbat is the

    tradition that when the Jewish people left Egypt they brought no sewing or clothing manufacturing utensils with them.[3] Instead, the clothes they were wearing upon their departure from Egypt miraculously remianed fresh and clean and even grew with them as their clothing sizes changed.[4] Indeed, included in this Divine tailoring service was deodorant and

    anti-perspirant for all the hot days in the desert. As such, in a gesture of longing and awaiting future days, the ladies of certain communities accepted upon themselves to refrain from sewing and similar activities at the conclusion of Shabbat. Indeed, Motzaei Shabbat is a popular time for a number of rituals, prayers, and spiritual practices related to the coming of Mashiach.

    [1] Magen Avraham O.C. 299

    [2] Rivevot Ephraim 2:107

    [3] Shir Hashirim Rabba 4

    [4] Ibn Ezra; Devarim 8

    Rabbi Ari Enkin Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel Cell: 011 972 52 579 1773 / Res: 011 972 2 992 0241

    There it says original Abuduram (a rishon I believe). Mishnah Berurah does not discuss (meaning doesn’t bring down minhag l’halacha). It also brings the Aruch HaShulchan:

    ??? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? (??”? ???”?), ?????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????????, ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????, ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ????.

    Translation:

    There are those women who are accustomed not to do work all night of Motzei Shabbos (M’A), we did not hear of such things and it is against the Talmud Yerushalmi, our Women (ie one’s of his day) only don’t do work until after Havdalah, but afterwards do all melachas, so is the law.

    So you have Rav Ephraim Greenblatt zatzal (mentioned above) and Aruch HaShulchan. Probably should ask a Rabbi, but if it is for relaxing – I imagine you have what to rely on.

    DQB

    #1057018

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Pretty sure you’re only allowed to make pizza, troll on YWN, and drink beer.

    numbers 2 and 3 are correlated

    #1057019

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I saw the thread title. I saw that popa posted. I figured he’d say trolling (ah, the good old days…).

    I wasn’t expecting beer and pizza (but the beer part does takeh explain a lot).

    #1057020

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Seriosuly I saw some sefer that maintained that it was assur to eat Pizza for Melava Malka and one should eat “Hemish Food”

    People have to stop making chumras and imposing them on others, If you dont want to eat Pizza on Motzei Shabbos and want to eat Kugel, fine . But dont tell others that

    #1057021

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Who’s imposing anything on you? If that’s his opinion, he’s allowed to write it, and if your rav disagrees, you’re free to not follow it.

    #1057022

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    When you publish in a Book , Its differnet.

    Its one of the critisisms of the Blumenkrantz book, He published lots of chumras that people assumed was the Halacha and followed them even though they should not follow said chumra.

    And the book that published this hemish food chumra was in english, not yiddish, It was not meant for a chassidic crowd

    #1057023

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Rabbi Blumenkrantz’ book is different, because he recommended against certain medications. Nothing’s going to happen to you if you eat kishka instead of pizza on Motzaei Shabbos.

    Regardless, everyone should ask their own rav, and not rely on any book of that nature (unless your rav tells you that you should). If anyone doesn’t take their medication without first discussing it with their own rav, it’s their own foolishness.

    #1057024

    Who’s for motzai shabbos cholent? I actually think cholent expires at 2pm on shabbos afternoon and is inedible until the next Thursday night (i never got how people eat cholent leftovers for super Sunday night) but cholent is definitely heimesh, and no offense PBA, but i think beer goes better with cholent than pizza! But that’s just my opinion. In yeshiva wet used to make pareve cholent Thursday night so we could have it with coffee and a cigarette. I guess that’s one of the ways to know you’re not in yeshiva anymore… (Sorry, unrelated post).

    #1057025

    Btw thanks DQB, that was very comprehensive and helpful. Great!

    #1057026

    I heard that. My mother told me that I was not allowed to knit or sew because until Chatzois because we had to wait until Shabbos was over for the gantzte velt. I don’t know. That is what my mother told me. So yeah.

    #1057027

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    this brings up a big problem i have with women, they take a daas yochid (not you dy) (or daas yichidim) and say that it’s a halacha that people should follow (my mother in law does it a lot even over here)

    #1057028

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    hey! maybe my mother in law3 was the one that told you this!

    #1057029

    Thanks, YYBC. If not for you, I would have been unaware.

    As an aside, I am in support of a thread of the deep meaning of pizza motzei shabbos.

    I was thinking that the normal pizza is 8 slices – lots to work from.

    The idea of it being round like with aveilus that Shabbos left.

    How all the slices point to the middle.

    #1057030

    yehudayona
    Participant

    Judging from the ads for the heimishe grocery stores, beer is only to be consumed at a shalom zachor.

    #1057031

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    By the way, ZD, I’m curious – where did you see this issur of eating pizza on Motzaei Shabbos?

    #1057032

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    I dont remember the title of the book or the author, but it was an unusual book. I couldnt tell if it was a Halacha book or a Chassidus book. It was written in english for english speaking audiences with ideas from Chassidic rebbes not usually followed in the Anglo world like the Satmar Rebbe and the Belzer Rebbe.

    #1057033

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    If it wasn’t meant for you (I don’t assume you are Chassidish), why do you see it as trying to impose anything on you?

    The reason I asked, BTW, is because I would like to see how it was presented. I understand how someone would think there is an inyan, but find it hard to believe someone would call it “assur”, and I think you likely misremembered the terminology used. Then again, in some random book, anything’s possible.

    #1057034

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Who’s for motzai shabbos cholent? I actually think cholent expires at 2pm on shabbos afternoon and is inedible until the next Thursday night (i never got how people eat cholent leftovers for super Sunday night) but cholent is definitely heimesh, and no offense PBA, but i think beer goes better with cholent than pizza! But that’s just my opinion. In yeshiva wet used to make pareve cholent Thursday night so we could have it with coffee and a cigarette. I guess that’s one of the ways to know you’re not in yeshiva anymore… (Sorry, unrelated post).

    What kind of BT yeshiva has pareve cholent and only drinks beer with one type of food?

    If I had to eat pareve cholent, I would assume it is tisha b’av and then assur to drink beer or anything.

    #1057035

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    It definatly said it was assur to eat Pizza at Melava Malka and that one must eat Hemish Foods at Melava Malka

    The book also spoke about the holiness or something like that of food like Gefilte Fish (Yuch) and Challah (Which I also cant stand) (I eat other kinds of bread when I have a choice like a Bagel or other breads with similar doughy insides).

    I do know there have been “issuirim” about eating such things as sushi (because its not a “Jewish Food”) , I dont think this book mentioned eating sushi. I dont remember if he mentioned sushi at Melava Malka or not (He might have though and not in a positive light)

    I found it like any other Halacha book , but written more in a spiritual way as opposed to straight halacha, I dont normally ask the rabbi what I see in a Halacha book , I dont ask a shaila on every single thing I see in a book. The rabbi is too busy for that

    #1057036

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The rabbi is too busy for that

    That’s his job.

    #1057037

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    He is also a teacher and has 7 kids. Those are important too. He has many resposibilities and I dont think its proper respect for him to be at my beck and call whenever I have a minor Shaaliah.

    #1057038

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    It is not a lack of respect to ask even a minor shailah; in fact it is a kavod. If you’re worried about his time, which is admirable, you can collect your shailos and every week, ask him after davening on Shabbos, or if your posek is not the rav of the shul in which you daven, call him or speak to him during the week with your list of questions. It is certainly better than making up the answers yourself.

    #1057039

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    My Shul has a Pizza party for the Kids after Shabbos, so in this case its obvious what the Rav Holds (His kids even go sometimes) I dont have to ask.

    I dont ask the Rav about Stuff I might see in a book.

    #1057040

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Yes, that would make it obvious. 🙂

    I still can’t understand how you think the author of that book imposed anything on you.

    #1057041

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Just for the record, he was the one who gave misgivings about the Blumenkrantz book

    He said he was once in the supermarket and saw some poor woman ahead of him . She had a bunch of Peasach stuff that included some food and Paper Towels. She had read the the Blumenkrantz books said not to certain paper towels because of possible kitniyot on the last towel. So she got rid of the bounty and got a more expensive brand of paper towel that did not have the corn starch (Or whatever it was) and also put aside some food because she did not have enough money for both the more expensive paper towels and the food

    #1057042

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Most brands of paper towels are cheaper than Bounty.

    #1057043

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Ok Maybe it wasnt bounty (I dont remember exactly which brand it was, it hought it was bounty) , But it definatly was a cheaper brand than the Hemish Brand that did not have the corn starch (Or whatever the glue used to paste the Paper towel to the cardbord tube)

    #1057044

    PBA: 1) what makes you say it was a BT Yeshiva?

    2) don’t worry, we drank beer with anything, everything, and plain. Cholent is just its best counterpart.

    3) Cholent is a classic Thursday night food, as is coffee a classic Thursday night drink. And coffee with a cigarette is a match made in heaven.

    4) why can’t you drink beer during the nine days?

    6) don’t worry, the Yeshiva didn’t make the cholent, we did.

    #1057045

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    PBA: 1) what makes you say it was a BT Yeshiva?

    Something I may have read about PAREVE CHOLENT was a drop dead giveaway.

    (You can’t drink beer on tisha b’av. It’s a fast day.)

    #1057046

    You can’t eat cholent on tisha b’av either. And from that diyuk i can tell you never properly enjoyed a cigarette with your cholent. Do they even smoke in BT yeshivos?

    #1057047

    Rema711
    Member

    yayin yashan bkli chadash u shouldn’t be smoking u can get cancer, which could be fatal

    #1057048

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    But if you could eat anything on tisha b’av, it would probably be pareve cholent.

    Just to repeat it: pareve cholent! Who eats pareve cholent????? Some kind of PETA activist? Even they would put a little bit of meat in.

    #1057049

    Don’t worry, it was a short lived experiment. It very quickly changed to fleishig cholent and creamer. But pareve cholent isn’t SO bad if its made right.

    #1057050

    Rema711: that is correct it is a terrible habit. However if one is unfortunately smoking anyways, it should be done with a coffee. Kids, don’t try this at home. Seriously speaking, I don’t know a single smoker who didn’t have charatah that they started, whether they managed to quit or not. If there is anyone reading this that may ever think of picking up a cigarette, do the smart thing. I promise you’ll be happier.

    #1057051

    Rema711
    Member

    Put in eggs in the cholent, it hits the spot every time

    #1057052

    Rema711
    Member

    yayin yashan bkli chadash Have u tried kicking the habit by switching to an ecigarette

    #1057053

    No! I saw on Yeshiva world that they’re unhealthy! I actually got one from a place in flatbush (nicdrops, ave m and east 13th), and i haven’t had a cigarette in close to six weeks! 🙂 The morning coffee just isn’t the same, though.

    #1057054

    We should start a post about e-cigs, actually. For me its great, but i hear the boys schools are having big problems with it. I don’t understand the taavah for a non smoker, but i hear its a serious issue. I don’t know how bad it is, but it can’t be as bad as smoking.

    #1057055

    Rema711
    Member

    yayin yashan bkli chadash at least the ecigarettes don’t cause u cancer

    #1057056

    Who says? There is a dearth of research into them. The guy from the store told me there is the stuff they use in fog machines, nicotine, and flavoring in the liquid. It seems to be agreed upon that they’re healthier than cigarettes, bad as they may be.

    #1057057

    showjoe
    Participant

    yayin yashan bkli chadash:

    at least the ecigarettes don’t cause u cancer

    debatable. a new study just came out that vaping in fact does cause cancer.

    from New England Journal of Medicine

    by R. Paul Jensen, B.S.

    Wentai Luo, Ph.D.

    James F. Pankow, Ph.D.

    Robert M. Strongin, Ph.D.

    David H. Peyton, Ph.D.

    in english

    Formaldehyde, a known human carcinogen found in cigarette smoke, also dwells in the vaporized liquid of popular electronic or e-cigarettes, researchers said Wednesday.

    E-cigarette sales are booming in the United States and many hoped so- called “vaping” would replace tobacco smoking and be a panacea for the nearly 160,000 lung cancer deaths associated with conventional cigarettes.

    But according to an analysis published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, the exposure to formaldehyde from e-cigarettes, based on similar chronic use as tobacco, could be five to 15 times higher than from smoking cigarettes.

    “It’s way too early now from an epidemiological point of view to say how bad they are,” said co-author James F. Pankow, professor of chemistry and engineering at Portland State University in Oregon. “But the bottom line is, there are toxins and some are more than in regular cigarettes. And if you are vaping, you probably shouldn’t be using it at a high-voltage setting.”

    Pankow and his colleagues analyzed aerosolized e-liquid in “tank system” e-cigarettes to detect formaldehyde-releasing agents in “hidden” form at various voltages.

    They found that vaping 3 milligrams of e-cigarette liquid at a high voltage can generate 14 milligrams of loosely affiliated or “hidden” formaldehyde. Researchers estimated a tobacco smoker would get .15 milligrams of formaldehyde per cigarette or 3 milligrams in a 20-pack.

    Pankow said that those numbers “may be conservative.”

    There are more than 8,000 chemicals in tobacco smoke, so it’s hard to pinpoint whether formaldehyde is the main culprit in cigarette-related cancers.

    “A lot of people make the assumption that e-cigarettes are safe and they are perfectly fine after using for a year,” said Pankow. “The hazards of e-cigarettes, if there are any, will be seen 10 to 15 years from now when they start to appear in chronic users.”

    E-cigarettes were first invented in China in 2003, but they started appearing in the United States around 2006. A five-pack of flavor cartridges costs about the same as a pack of cigarettes and starter kits can cost between $30 and $100.

    A cartridge or tank contains a liquid of propylene glycol, glycerol, or both, as well as nicotine and flavoring. These chemicals are heated to the boiling point with a battery-operated atomizer, creating a smokeless vapor that is inhaled.

    #1057058

    showjoe
    Participant

    srry i meant Rema711 not YYBC

    #1057059

    Rema711
    Member

    showjoe u called my name!!!

    #1057060

    Showjoe: what did you say to either of us? I don’t see that you posted on this before.

    #1057061

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    By the way, ZD, I’m curious – where did you see this issur of eating pizza on Motzaei Shabbos?

    Rabbi Dovid Meisels, in his sefer “Shabbos Secrets” says on page 126:

    It is appropriate to urge people not to deviate from this ancient minhag. One should be cautioned against treating this meal with contempt, by eating non-Jewish dishes such as pizza on motza’ei Shabbos — even if the pizza has a reliable hechsher certification. The melava malka meal should have the character of a Shabbos meal

    You can find it online by using Amazon’s search feature.

    The Wolf

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