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Wow has times changed! Nowadays the shelves are full with Pesach products that I could only DREAM of as a kid. Even ‘Lays Potato chips’ has a B’Datz hechsher this year, not to mention all the variety of nosh/cookies/cakes/candies/cereals/dips etc. that are all kosher l’pesach. Personally, I don’t eat half, but it realy is a stark contrast to the way grocery shops looked like when I was growing up in the 1980’s.
We ate Pesachdig cheescake every morning with a cup of chocolate milk, lots of matza and cheese with seltzer. But hardly any nosh.
macaroons, lady fingers were staples in my house.I want my kids to feel Pesach is different, and stick with products I grew up using, and really eliminate any product that is not from the jewish companies. I think it’s important to not jump on the bandwagon with everything available out there, and try to be strict with mesorah and a limited Pesach product line for our kitchen.
Do you also still have a modest shopping list, or do you say, “if its kosher l’pesach, why not”?
Just because something was done in the past, doesnt mean it should be repeated
Yeshivas used to have EATING DAYS, because there wasnt enough food. Should we go back to those days.
You are supposed to be SIMCHA on Yom Tov, I doubt many people have Simcha eating Gefilte Fish from a Jar, Streits Matza, Borscht , Macroons , Egg Kichel and other “Goodies” of Peseach
If it’s kosher for pesach, then why not?
In 1980 there was no cell phones, internet email etc…should I abandon all those as well because I didn’t grow up with them?
my parent’s had the 1966 OU peasch guide. it was printed in a small booklet (5X7) and had about 16 pages. each category had maybe 2 choices
in my house were pretty strict we dont buy all the nonsense on pesach. But i was in a hotel lastnight for a concert, its not normal what they have there. They served for supper hamburgers and BUNS that tasted like chometz! They served macaroni for lunch one day that was BETTER then chometz (someone there told me) and there is so much cake!! you wouldn;t know its pesach!
I went last night to the Shoprite near Monsey there was a sign Passover products 50% off. it’s all junk even at that price we don’t buy any of these processed products, it’s a sucker play. Just cook the basics.
Our community is growing. All the cute little babies from 1980 are now parents, or even grandparents(or as economists would call them, consumers). So of course there are more products available.
Since good kashruth puts bad kashruth out of business (it doesn’t cost all that much more to do kosher properly, and you get a bigger market), of course the standards are rising. Why make imitation hametz out of matza crumbs when you can make it out of potato starch, probably for the same or less cost, and increase your market share.
Pesach 1980 V Pesach 2012.
2012 saw Pesach on a Shabbos [1st time in 14 years], and a full week Chol haMoed.
1980 saw Pesach on a Tuesday [1st time in 7 years], and a very truncated Chol haMoed.
There isnt any thing holy about Borchst , Macaroons, Gefilte Fish in a jar and Egg Kichel.
In fact because of the Disgusting Gefilte Fish in a Jar I refused to eat ANY Gefilte Fish for 20 years
But i was in a hotel lastnight for a concert, its not normal what they have there. They served for supper hamburgers and BUNS that tasted like chometz! They served macaroni for lunch one day that was BETTER then chometz (someone there told me) and there is so much cake!! you wouldn;t know its pesach!
“I was in someone’s house for a Shabbos day meal last month, it’s not normal what they had there. They had hot food, just as hot as if it were cooked right then. It was even better than the cold food that we’re accustomed to eating on Shabbos afternoon. You wouldn’t even know it was Shabbos!”
That’s what I assume I would have heard when modern methods for keeping food warm until the Shabbos seuda became available that didn’t exist in previous times.
The Wolf
I have a “Blumenkrantz” from 1977. It was a shul publication and only about 8 typewritten pages. Things were simpler back then. Pesach just meant less choices, and we dealt with it.
“That’s what I assume I would have heard when modern methods…became available that didn’t exist in previous times.”
Here, I disagree. There have always been ways to keep food warm (ovens, k’deira al gabei k’deira, ect). Now, we have better ways.
What HIE is talking about is way over the top.
IMHO? The biggest sin of all is the cake, pancakes, french toast, ect. Its all an illusion, made of egg whites, starch, sugar and oil / margarine. Little (if any) nutritional value, even less filling power.
Are the hotels guilty of maris ayin? Hard to judge.
Are they guilty of bait-and-switch? I vote to convict.
I have a “Blumenkrantz” from 1977.
I have one from 1961, 1993, 1995, 1996 etc. (V’Hamayvin Yavin)
We only buy what we need in order to not hear the kids tell us they are malnourished and starving, ch”v. That includes leben, pizza sauce, cheese, leben, coke, leben, pizza sauce and coke. We even bought an electric ice cream maker that we put coke into to make slurpees. Oh yes, and chocolate bars. Forgot to buy macaroons this year 🙁 Nobody eats them but it wouldn’t be Pesach without a can on the shelves.
They sent some guys from our base to help out with packing food packages for poor people for pesach. As we were sorting the different food donations I kept seeing products that I couldn’t believe were kosher for pesach. Things like wafers, cookies and even pasta. Of course most of it was kitniyot but its still pretty amazing how you can eat all these things on pesach.
People may want to be machmir on pesach but be careful not to go overboard. When I was growing up my mother used to go overboard when it came to pesach. The atmosphere in the house was tense and pesach was a bit of a traumatic experience. I haven’t been home for pesach for a few years. Even though my parents have relaxed a bit in the recent years, I am still hesitant to be at home for pesach.
In my house we give them crushed rock and mud. And if they want straw they can find it themselves!
As people perfect the use of potato starch and tapioca starch kosher lipesach chametz will become a reality.
kosher lipesach chametz
If it’s not made of any of the five species of grain, it’s no more chametz than an apple or a potato is. Your labeling it “chametz” implies that one who does this is violating an issur. Despite your preference not to use such products, they are not chametz and are perfectly permitted.
The Wolf
Dear Rabbi Wolf. While it is difficult to discern from the words, they were written in jest.
I just came back from a Pesach hotel, and what HIE is describing is NOT necessarily the norm.
We go pretty simple at home: we bought the Lay’s potato chips and cereal for my brother (nobody else would touch it), but for the rest we usually eat our homemade stuff. And it’s great.
“Even ‘Lays Potato chips’ has a B’Datz hechsher”
Because the chips were made in E’Y.
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