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  • #595612
    Shticky Guy
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    There are currently two threads going with similar names. Or can I rephrase that; of the multitude of threads on the same or very similar topics, one thread is called Pesach (spelt as most people write it) while the other is called Paysach (spelt as most people pronounce it).

    How do you say it? (I’m referring to the litvish, non-sefardi, non-chassidish public). Most of us say pay-sach even though the letter ? has a segol under it (pronounced segol, not saygol). I dont know why this is that the chassidish pronounciation seems to be the prevelant one. My father ????? thinks people call it Paysach because for ??? we all PAY-A-SACH!!

    Do you say seudo shlishis, shaleshudes or shalesheedis? Havdollah or havdullah? I am nisach sefard so I do use the chassidish pronunciations a lot but many others also use it when it is out of character for them.

    Even some chassidim call it p-ICE-ach when there’s a ????? under the ? and not a ??????.

    #759584
    SJSinNYC
    Member

    We say Peh-sahch.

    My family is German though. My grandparents did say it with a heavier Peh sound. Can’t describe it if you don’t know how German Jews talk.

    #759585
    AinOhdMilvado
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    Are we REALLY doing ANOTHER one of these?!?

    Dai k’var!

    #759586
    i am here
    Member

    well shticky guy gotta be shticky so of course he is doing another one of these

    #759587
    WolfishMusings
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    We say Pay-sach… although, on reflection, I’ve got to admit that Peh-sach is probably the correct way of saying it.

    The Wolf

    #759588
    Shticky Guy
    Participant

    AinOhdMilvado was that a joke or would you have prefered another thread on shidduchim, painted nails, puns/corny jokes, yeshivas or purim?

    #759589
    always here
    Participant

    I say ‘Pay-sach’, my husband says ‘Pie-sach” … you say potato & I say pototo… 😉

    #759590
    AinOhdMilvado
    Participant

    Shticky Guy…

    Are those really our ONLY choices???

    #759591
    MDG
    Participant

    It should be PAYsach, because you really gotta PAY a lot for all the Pesach stuff.

    :>

    #759592
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I say ‘Pay-sach’, my husband says ‘Pie-sach” … you say potato & I say pototo… 😉

    … let’s call the whole thing off. 🙂

    The Wolf

    #759593
    bpt
    Participant

    If I’m speaking in English, its Pay-sach. In yiddish, its Paiy-sech.

    Nuances, but v-e-r-y telling ones. Nothing “outs” you faster than mispronouncing a word like that.

    #759594

    Peh-sach

    Seudat shelishit

    Havdallah

    #759595
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Due to my very mixed background:

    Peh-sach (segol, patach)

    Havduhluh (patach, kuhmutz, kuhmutz)

    Shal’shudis (who knows, but it’s one of the few yeshivish pronunciations I didn’t drop)

    #759596
    Grandmaster
    Member

    ItcheSrulik: Why have you “dropped” yeshivish pronunciations? Where does your name Itche Srulik come from (sounds Chasidic)? And what is your “very mixed background”?

    #759597
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    I dropped yeshivish pronunciation, mainly the “choylem” because it is incorrect. Secondarily, it also identifies me as part of a community to which I no longer belong. When learning I still use words like “tzu-shtell” “in hachi nami” and “chalois” because every discipline has it’s technical jargon and a good part of the yeshivishe shprach is the technical terminology of Torah, but I don’t put it into everyday conversation.

    My screen name is just a yiddishization of my real name. Just a little (no longer) private joke.

    #759599
    Grandmaster
    Member

    Q: ItcheSrulik: Why have you “dropped” yeshivish pronunciations?

    A: Secondarily, it also identifies me as part of a community to which I no longer belong.

    Since you personally take action to insure your communal affiliation is properly broadcast, surely you agree that members of yeshivish communities ought to wear a hat and jacket to (like yourself in your situation) identify as a part of the yeshiva community, correct?

    BTW, What convinces you that the “choylem” is “wrong”? I’m also curious as to why do you “no longer belong” with the yeshivish community?

    #759600
    rescue37
    Participant

    actually, isn’t it chag hamatzo(s)(t)

    #759601
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Grandmaster: yes, they should. Clothing is a big part of group identification. I don’t like it, but it’s a fact. Even the halacha provides for it with regulations on how big your kipa has to be, etc.

    Re the choylem: The Mislol, written by a grandson of the Tosfos Yom Tov. (I confess that it’s the only dikduk sefer that I’ve actually learned through a large section) and a psak from my rebbi who is a baal kria and reads with an Oh cholem, as does his rebbi, Rav Yisroel Belsky.

    rescue37: technically, yes. Simchas Torah is also technically the second day of shmini atzeres.

    #759602
    Grandmaster
    Member

    ItcheSrulik: IOW, the choylem issue is a machlokes haposkim. Also, any comment on the last question in my previous comment?

    #759603
    shuli
    Participant

    paysach when im speaking english

    and pesach when speaking ivrit. it really makes no difference though, we all mean the same 4 cups of wine, the matzah and a sach gelt

    #759604
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Grandmaster: yeshivaworld.com is not the appropriate place for a lengthy critique of the culture, society, and theology of the Yeshiva World.

    #759605
    ✡onegoal™
    Participant

    I have a brother with the name Paysach and he spells it Paysach.

    #759606
    Shticky Guy
    Participant

    I have a friend called Paysach also. He spells his name Pesach. Unlike your friend. And Reb Paysach Krohn????”? ??.

    I think it’s just more phonetically spelled when it’s written Paysach. Otherwise the in the wider world it is pronounced as the litvish ‘Pesach’, like some Chaims spell their name Chayim, otherwise it’s read as chain with an ‘m’ at the end.

    My friend’s mom told me that he got his name (suprisingly) cos he was born on ???. So his father quipped “In that case, its a good job he wasnt born on ???? ??? ??????!!”

    #759607
    Ken Zayn
    Member

    When you say most people say paysach, you mean only when talking about the yomtov paysach. When reading the word in a siddur, machzor or chumash etc then almost all ashkenaz non chassidic readers will say pesach eg kol shelo omru shelosha devarim eilu bapesach… V’eilu heim… Pesach, matzo, maror.

    Has anyone ever seen the word pesach with a tzeirei under the letter Pay instead of the usual segol? This would explain both the litvish paysach and the chassidic pie-sach.

    #759608
    eclipse
    Member

    I got a phone call recently from Paysach Krohn.He said,”Hi,it’s Paysach.” I said,”Isn’t it ALMOST Paysach?”

    Hilarious,I know.

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