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    Reb Eliezer
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    The Minchas Chinuch discusses the question, if the Beis Hamikdash were rebuilt today, would we all be mechuyav to bring a pesach sheni? The Kaftor Voferach brings from Rav Chaim from Paris that he wanted to sacrifice a korban pesach. We see that he held that currently there is a chiyuv, therefore according to him we should have to bring a pesach sheni.

    #1719412

    Joseph
    Participant

    I’m prepared.

    Are you?

    #1719450

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Joe,

    Where did you get your פרה אדומה ashes from?

    #1719486

    Same if someone became bar mitzva (or an eved knani becomes freed – for those of us that own one) between pessach rishon and pessach sheni.

    #1719765

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    The question is the mitzva of chinuch on the father or the child whether the bar mitzva can count with a brocho.

    #1719799

    Ysiegel
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    Hold on, please clarify what you mean that he wanted to sacrifice a korban Pesach? And how is it relevant to the Pesach Sheini?

    And isn’t it true that the Jews were never *mechuyav* to offer it? It was only a chance for those who were tamei during regular Pesach, no?

    #1719883

    Milhouse
    Participant

    No, we will notbring a Pesach Sheni this year. אין ציבור נדחין.

    Coffee addict, no ashes required. When the whole tzibur is tomei the Korban Pesach can be brought betum’ah. Therefore it stands to reason that if it were possible for a tzibur to bring a Pesach Sheni we could do so betum’ah. But in any case we’ve got three weeks till Pesach Sheni, long enough for the new kohen godol to bring a poroh adumoh and have everyone tohor. Again, however, this is all hypothetical because אין ציבור נדחין.

    There’s no question that if it had been possible for us to bring the Korban Pesach two Fridays ago we would have been obliged to do so. But as Ysiegel points out this is irrelevant to Pesach Sheni.

    Ysiegel, yes, if an individual missed Pesach Rishon he has a chiyuv to bring a Pesach Sheni, if he can. Unfortunately we will not be able to, even if Moshiach comes.

    #1719813

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    He wanted to sacrifice a korban pesach on Pesach Rishon.

    #1728977

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Lessons from Pesach Shen:

    1. Don’t separate yourself from the group
    2. Do everything possible to do a mitzva
    3. Give people a second chance

    #1729063

    Lesson from Pessach Sheni – one can “demand” from HKBH “loma nigara” (why should we lose out)!

    Imagine if they wouldn’t have made the demand!

    Likewise, bnos Tzlofchad, imagine if they wouldn’t have demanded a yerusha in Eretz Yisroel?!

    But one must be cautious not to fight the Tzaddik Hador.

    Korach also demanded: Ki kol ha’eda kulom kedoshim, we are all equally holy…yet, since he entered into a machlokes with Moshe Rabbeinu (she’b’chol dor v’dor), he and his supporters lost olom haza and olom habah.

    Careful when you fight and mock gedolim, Rebbes, poskim…even when you disagree with them (as Korach did)..

    #1729072

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Korach’s statement was against the Torah. Everyone is holy but not on the same level and therefore we need a leader to elevate us to a higher level. This is our purpose in life to reach new heights climbing the ladder from earth to heaven as dreamt by Yaakov Avinu.

    #1730043

    Milhouse
    Participant

    The difference between Korach and the others is that Korach came with demands, not questions. The others came to point out a problem they were having, that Moshe may not have thought of. They asked why they were left out, but they were prepared to accept an answer, including “This is what Hashem wants”, if that were in fact the case. All they wanted was for Moshe to please check with Hashem whether that really was what He wanted.

    #1730158

    All used the “complaint” of “lama”, korach had foundation on the possuk “mamleches kohanim v”goy kodosh”, claiming that each yid can directly serve Hashem without the need of a Rebbe – sounds like a very familiar position promoted by misguided.

    #1730202

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    There is a saying, when you are by a Rebbe, the Rebbe is the Shulchan Aruch, but when you are away from the Rebbe, the Shulchan Aruch is the Rebbe.

    #1730218

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    We don’t need Mashiach to come in order to bring a korbon Pesach.
    There are records of R’ Yechiel m’Paris, who traveled to Eretz Yisrael to try and bring a korbon Pesach. However, he couldn’t determine the exact location of the mizbeach, so it didn’t happen.
    Later, R’ Akiva Eiger asked his son-in-law, the Chasam Sofer, if he could convince the Sultan to allow Jews to go on the Har haBayis to bring a korbon Pesach. The Chasam Sofer replied that the Sultan would never allow Jews to bring any sacrifices on the Har haBayis, so it couldn’t happen. However, the Chasam Sofer clearly wrote that we are allowed to bring a korbon Pesach from a halachic perspective.

    #1730448

    Milhouse
    Participant

    No, Rebbetzin, Korach did not ask “lama”. Nor did he even ask for anything in particular; his entire manifesto was “Rav Lachem! Madua Tisnas’u?”

    #1731844

    You are right, Milhouse, Korach did not ask “lama”, he asked “maduah” – bad choice of words (even though they mean the exact same thing) and that’s why he is chayov missah?!

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