December 15, 2021 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #2042170bob hample1Participant
PETA: What do you think?
If you hate them, but think they have one or two things right, or vice versa, ecetera, please outline in detail what you hate and what you like, or what you don’t care about, please explain.December 16, 2021 12:14 am at 12:14 am #2042205bored_teen 💕Participant
I love animals and I think animal abuse is wrong but I definitely value human life over animals. From the little I know about PETA they don’t do much besides for posting on social media.December 16, 2021 12:15 am at 12:15 am #2042208ujmParticipant
HaLeiVi holds that it is a “Kiddish Hashem” to act in a manner that induces PETA supporters to say בריך אלקהון דיהודאי.December 16, 2021 2:34 am at 2:34 am #2042252HaLeiViParticipant
To quote a 20th century philosopher: Never trust a fool’s version of what a smart person said, for he had to translate it into something he can understand.
Now, with that out of the way, all these one-issue activists are crazy. Obviously there is a kernel of importance but they are the wrong guys for the job.December 16, 2021 2:36 am at 2:36 am #2042221AviraDeArahParticipant
Animal abuse is wrong because it’s against the Torah, not because animals are cute and we like them – tzaar baalei chaim applies equally to a rat as it does to a fluffy white kitten.December 16, 2021 9:48 am at 9:48 am #2042330hujuParticipant
Peta is my third-favorite bread.December 16, 2021 9:49 am at 9:49 am #2042326DBSParticipant
When people from PETA say things like “animals are people too” they mean it. With that in mind, I think we can all agree that these people have their priorities terribly messed up and should not be taken seriously.December 16, 2021 9:58 am at 9:58 am #2042338Sarah SParticipant
Is that People for Eating Tasty Animals? If so, I’m IN!!!!December 16, 2021 10:53 am at 10:53 am #2042347smerelParticipant
In one way I do have a respect for CERTAIN animal rights activists. It takes sacrifice not to eat meat. I was once driving to a county agricultural fair and passed some animal rights activists protesting the farming and eating of animals and thought you have to give credit to middle aged people who would stand the whole day in over ninety degree weather holding signs specifically in an area where the people passing them aren’t going to listen and think they are crazy. We can learn from their mesirus nefesh
OTOH most animal rights activists ARE crazy. They protest wearing fur but wear leather shoes (some don’t do even that) They protest medical tests on animals even though the human suffering with the lack of these experiments dwarfs that of the animals involved. They protest kaporos but not only ignore KFC they even ignore Red Lobster even though lobsters are cooked by boiling them to death. They oppose farm animals but ignore those who declaw cats, which to a cat is like missing a finger to the knuckle. Etc.
Bottom line is the Teshovos HaRashba gives the guideline of dealing with animals and says that all normal animal usage is allowed by the Torah. (Rav Moshe writes that because of this Rashba force feeding animals like foie gras are prohibited. So the animal right activists are actually right about that one) Even from a secular perspective the Rashba is probably the most humane balance for dealing with animalsDecember 16, 2021 10:54 am at 10:54 am #2042349DovidBTParticipant
PETA believes that using animals as a food source is unethical, which is anti-Torah.December 16, 2021 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2042371
As the Torah forbids cruelty to animals (tzaar baalei chaim), it has been shown that our shechita is the most humane way to kill them without any pain.December 16, 2021 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #2042391
The five rules of shechita make sure that no pain occurs.December 16, 2021 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #2042450GadolhadorahParticipant
“it has been shown that our shechita is the most humane way to kill them without any pain.”
Mexicans agree…..they are about to shut down the few remaining bullfighting venues (over the passionate objections of the traditionalists) and put all the remaining bulls “out to pasture”, until its “their time”. Chulent Meijiacano anyone?December 16, 2021 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #2042546HaLeiViParticipant
“As the Torah forbids cruelty to animals (tzaar baalei chaim), it has been shown that our shechita is the most humane way to kill them without any pain.”
That is not the reason, but it works out. The animals are lucky, and so are we.December 16, 2021 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #2042628GadolhadorahParticipant
“That is not the reason, but it works out..”
Then what is “the reason” you are referencing??December 16, 2021 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #2042638Yserbius123Participant
PETA stands for being against cruelty to animals, which is something I like. But in this day and age, almost every civilized person is against pointless cruelty to animals. So PETA has to take things a step further. They are against farming, eating meat, pets, and treat animals like they are on equal footing to humans. All of those things are against the Torah.December 16, 2021 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #2042653
The Klei Yakar explains the reason why an am haaretz is not allowed to eat meat. What makes him better than an animal? The learning of the Torah and that is why Noach was allowed meat. He knew the difference between animals to sacrifice, whereas Adam Harishon is not clearly seen that he learned Torah, so he was not allowed to eat meat.December 17, 2021 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #2042760Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
RebE > why an am haaretz is not allowed to eat meat.
Indeed, so PETA has their rationale right, as well as people “protecting the Earth” (literally Am Haaretz)
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