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October 21, 2025 5:55 pm at 5:55 pm #2461347EvalimoshavloParticipant
Your unrelenting attempts at advocacy to ensure the rights of the frum community are not only commendable but outright awe-inspiring! Orthodox organizations stand by their communities, fighting any possible hindrance to their freedom of speech, religion, etc. The frequent large-scale Torah Events are exciting, inviting, highly professional, and a true Kiddush Hashem. Honestly, it is to be envied by other communities! The accomplishments are impressive as well. Bills passed, funds allocated to Jewish Education, lifting the heavy burden of Tuition, stepping in for someone who was discriminated against for Shabbos Observance, Lobbying on Capitol Hill, and developing real friendships with Politicians who appreciate our communities. I can go on and on and on and its all true. BUT. What if all the above doesn’t succeed? What if your friends in the government are unable to help despite their goodwill? What happens if anti-Semitism doesn’t like your advocacy and persists no matter what? What happens if the situation gets worse, as it already is? And the real QUESTION? What if G- D Forbid Golus America ends like 100% of the other goluses??? What do we do then? Is there a plan B? I don’t want to get descriptive. It’s not necessary. WE NEED PLAN B!!
I would like to make a suggestion based on a Possuk in yeshayahu פרק ד פסוק ג. Yes, I am suggesting preparing American Jewry for mass Aliyah, and I even have a plan. Send a delegation for a series of meetings with Government Ministers, Minister of Housing, Minister of Labor, Minister of Education, Minister of Aliyah. (Yes Israeli Ministers) Say to them, we are preparing our communities for mass Aliyah. We want our communities and their families to be able to live near one another and to retain our culture, our educational system etc. We need proper and adequate employment and social services. We need shuls, schools, yeshivos, seminaries, etc. Lay down the infrastructure NOW! Don’t wait till it’s too late! I don’t like to beg, but I hereby beg you – Do it NOW!
It can be done. There are large empty expanses of land – in Yerushalaim and close by, and in other places as well. – Tell the Minister of Housing – You allocate the land, we will bring the builders (not the kind who build in every possible meter leaving no space for greenery, etc) the prices will be government-regulated for 18 months, during which period of time only people from X community will be able to buy. After 18 months, anyone will be able to buy. Within these new neighborhoods, there will have to be lots allocated for shuls, schools, yeshivos AND playgrounds, beautiful green parks etc. The Rabbonim of the shuls will only be able to be from X community as so too the principals of the schools and the Roshei Yeshiva. Demand easier conditions for opening businesses, easier taxation – whatever! (Dont worry you won’t get all you ask for- but it’s a beginning.)
Aliyah has many challenges but when done together, it’s a whole different story.
I know that I’ll be hit in the face with all sorts of hashkafos that serve the purpose of easing guilt over staying put, but times have changed. We are on the threshold of worldwide changes that we cannot foresee their results. WE MUST HAVE A PLAN B!October 22, 2025 9:43 am at 9:43 am #2461625@fakenewsParticipantThere is a button on your keyboard that something like “enter” or an arrow pointing down and back.
You should use it.
It helps to take what appears to be a wall of text (which seems like a rant) that most people won’t bother reading thoroughly, and turns it into a letter broken into thoughtful paragraphs that can be easily absorbed.
This is intended in a friendly manner, not snarkiness.
October 22, 2025 9:44 am at 9:44 am #2461685ujmParticipantPlan C – A Response to the Open Letter from the Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders:
What if G- D Forbid Golus State of Israel ends like 100% of the other goluses??? The Zionist State is in Golus, too. In fact, everywhere on earth today is in Golus?
Did you hear of something called October 7? That occurred in Golus State of Israel.
Since the existence of the State is Israel, more Jews have been killed for being Jews in the State of Israel than the entire rest of the world combined.
Teretz? Only DAVENING helps. Nothing else.
Sincerely,
The Ultra Orthodox Community Leaders
October 22, 2025 9:45 am at 9:45 am #2461686A.J.MParticipantSo you’re asking for large empty expanses of land in Yerushalayim (and elsewhere) + free lots for schools, shuls and yeshiva along with adequate employment and tax breaks so that you can transplant your own ‘culture’ and educational system (which almost guarantees that you and your children will remain ill equipped for life in Eretz Yisroel). Why on earth? I mean you’re more than welcome to make Aliyah (and utilise the existing significant tax breaks for new olim) but what makes you think that the Israeli government should bankrupt themselves into providing everything for nothing? American Jewry is financially self sufficient and could self fund most of your wish list. Asking the Israeli taxpayer to do it for you (with nothing in return apart from many more years of financial assistance being sought) is just selfish and symptomatic of the self entitled attitude so many people have.
October 22, 2025 9:45 am at 9:45 am #2461691HaKatanParticipantWe have a mesorah from Rav Chaim Volozhin that the last station for Torah in galus is the USA.
October 22, 2025 10:01 am at 10:01 am #2461713SQUARE_ROOTParticipantEvalimoshavlo said:
“Yes, I am suggesting preparing American Jewry for mass Aliyah…”
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MY RESPONSE:That is EXACTLY what Rabbi Meir Kahane [ZTL ZYA HYD] said,
in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s, until the day he died.Back then, people ignored his warnings or laughed at him,
especially the Liberals, Leftists and Charedim.After all these years, you finally admit that: KAHANE WAS RIGHT!!!
October 22, 2025 10:05 am at 10:05 am #2461719yankel berelParticipantOPEN LETTER TO EVALEMOSHIVLO
I would like to make a suggestion based on RAMBAM . Yes, I am suggesting preparing Orthodox Israeli Jewry for mass Yeridah, and I even have a plan.
Send a delegation for a series of meetings with Government Ministers. (Yes non Jewish Ministers)
Say to them, we are preparing our communities for mass Yeridah.
We want our communities and their families to be able to live near one another and to retain our culture, our educational system etc. We need proper and adequate employment and social services. We need shuls, schools, yeshivos, seminaries, etc.
It can be done. There are large empty expanses of land – in Chuts la’arets .
Yeridah has many challenges but when done together, it’s a whole different story.
I know that I’ll be hit in the face with all sorts of hashkafos that serve the purpose of easing guilt over staying put, but times have changed.
Our precious youth in Israel are hunted by a mafia-like unelected clique , like some sort of criminals.
This is totally unacceptable and unsustainable .
We cannot foresee the results of this unprecedented and evil witch hunt .
WE MUST HAVE A PLAN B!
We MUST seriously consider mass yeridah , for the sake of the Jewish Nation’s eternal future !
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.October 22, 2025 10:08 am at 10:08 am #2461725YFRBachurParticipantUS style housing is a total non starter. Not happening. Period Stop.
Large available tracts of land near JLM? also non existant.
Israel has it’s own, internal housing shortage. They aint bending over backwards for people who may or may not be oleh.
The chareidi world in IL has a housing crisis, They;ve been working on this for DECADES with little success.Culture… What culture? Baseball?
You come to EY to be oleh in kedusha, not be pogeh in the ruchnius of those who already live there or bring your shtusim from chulOctober 22, 2025 10:08 am at 10:08 am #2461740Yaakov Yosef AParticipantWADR, by using the term “Ultra-Orthodox”, in the title no less, you instantly self identify as non-Chareidi…
“all sorts of hashkafos that serve the purpose of easing guilt over staying put”
As long as Moshiach hasn’t come yet, there need not be any ‘guilt over staying put’. Whether moving to Eretz Yisroel is the right move for any given individual or family depends on many factors and is a serious and personal decision, not for you to make for them. There is no one size fits all.
Forget about the Israeli government, Ministry of Housing, yadda yadda. They don’t wan’t Dossim. Just raise enough money to buy property, bribe the relevant officials to not make problems, and build on your own. There are several beautiful new neighborhoods that meet most of your suggested standards. The price of a new apartment in these places ensures that only Americans from X community buy there…
Demand easier conditions for opening businesses, easier taxation – whatever!
Tell them that for the locals too… Good luck… You actually do get certain tax breaks when you make Aliyah, if you know how to play the system.
We are on the threshold of worldwide changes that we cannot foresee their results. WE MUST HAVE A PLAN B!
Because right here in Eretz Yisroel there are never any “changes that we cannot foresee their results”? The Chiloni government has a real “Plan B”? There are many reasons to move here for growth in ruchniyus if you can deal with the challenges, but your reason is not one of them.
October 22, 2025 10:09 am at 10:09 am #2461793somejewiknowParticipantHerzl, yimach shemo, had a similar plan for similar heretical reasons.
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