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    Toras Moshe
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    Masechtes Sanhedrin (82b): The Malochei HaShoreis asked the Ribbono Shel Olam for permission to punish Pinchas for killing Kozbi and Zimri. HKB”H said

    to them “let him go, he is a “Kanoi”, the son of my Kanoi, an appeaser of my wrath, the son of one who appeased My wrath.”

    Parshas Netzavin is all about be a Yid being a kanoi, the way of our Gedolim, Rabbonim and Askonim.

    #642844

    Toras Moshe:

    What makes YOU a kana’i?

    #642845

    cantoresq
    Member

    Notice that the Torah only calls Pinchas and Pinchas alone. When Eliyahu tries to assume the title for himself, HKB”H tells him to train Elisha to be a navi since HKB”H has no more use for Eliyahu.

    #642847

    mariner
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    cantoresq: see, people nowadays like to be kanoim because of this passuk, and make silly macha’os. dont burst their bubble with facts. it would be so unkind right before yom kippur.

    #642848

    Jewess
    Member

    I hope you’re not going around assuming yourself a “kanai”… Leave judgement and retribution to God.

    #642849

    lammed hey
    Member

    Toras Moshe:

    Now, — my dear Rabbi, — the internet, — it is Assur. ;-(

    Go read Slifkin. Or study K-Theory. Don’t promote Kanoius. Too much acid involved, and if its not stopped, who knows who will be next 🙁

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out –

    because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out –

    because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –

    because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me.

    US Holocaust Memorial

    #642850

    The Big One
    Participant

    The obvious point is that being called a kana’i is a high honor. It is absolutely hilarious when the left-wingers (religiously) start yelling “kana’i” at someone actually thinking of it as a criticism of some sort, when in fact it is one of the most honorable titles a Yid could obtain for himself.

    #642851

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Have posted many times that the Chazon Ish said that was only for the generations of Pinchas where the RBSH’s hashgacha was apparent to all, and Zimri’s act was total and clear rebellion. Nowadays, harsh words and violence are totally forbidden, and only ahavas yisroel is permitted.

    #642852

    cantoresq
    Member

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out –

    because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out –

    because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out –

    because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak for me.

    US Holocaust Memorial

    _______________________________________________________________________________________

    The above quote is a loose translation of a poem by Pastor Martin Niemoller, a Lutheran minister in Germanmy during WWII; one of the chasidie umot haolam. He was an outspoken critic of Hitler and Naziism, and was eventually deported to Sachenhausen and Dachau. After the war he was a leading spokesman for German guilt over the holocaust, often expressing his personal regret at not having dnoe more to protect the victims of the Holocaust. It behooves us to quote him in his name.

    #642853

    jphone
    Member

    Kanoi. Did that make your day?

    #642854

    sammygol
    Member

    Just like not every little Yiddele who wishes to assume the title of a Talmid Chacham may do so upon his wishes and imagination alone, Kanaus has specific requrements and prerequisites, clearly explained by Chazal. Start off by following the Beraisa of Rabbi Pinchas bar Yair at the end of Sotah, if you wish to get ANYWHERE in Judaism. Zerizus, then Zehirus, and so forth, until some day one may actually reach true Chasidus with its attached Kanaus.

    I know, it is far easier to demonstrate in Kikar Shabbos that it is to learn one Tosafos. It is also more enjoyable to elevate one’s Judaism by pushing the others down than to actually climb higher. That lesson can be learned from the oldest scales models – when one cup is pressed down, the other goes up by default. Still, does anyone really think that being a “Tzadik by default” is a madrega to be aspired? What a waste of a life it will be if we only strive to such “kanaim”, whose sole achievement is proving their own worth to, basically, themselves, and a most dubious worth at that.

    #642856

    Bogen
    Participant

    the oilam notes with much satisfaction that sammygol has made the leap from blog to forum, and we welcome him to the coffee room for the very first time!

    round of applause please! you may all take your seats now…

    #642858

    Chuck Schwab
    Participant

    Obviously the original poster is speaking rhetorically, with his point being that being called a Kanoi is something to be proud of.

    #642860

    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    To Mr Please call me a Kanoi: (Toras Moshe)

    A Kanoi is one who is pure on the inside like on the outside

    not someone who cloaks himself in self righteousness

    and screams or goes guns blazing when its not meant

    100% L’Sheim Shomayim!!!

    To act like a Kanoi when your really not the on th level

    is an extremly dangerous thing & a grave sin.

    take Korach V’adasoy for example.

    Thats why by Pinchos it was praiseworthy.

    Because he was on the level.

    More than most people are not even close to such a level of Emes,

    & shouldn’t convince themselves they are.

    #642862

    morechumras
    Member

    Yes, a Kanoi is a good thing. Now what exactly is the point being made here??

    #642863

    Chacham
    Member

    the gemara in sotah [23b] says after yanai hamelech did and was about to die he said??? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????:

    so all you guys out there are a bunch pf fakers

    #642864

    Chacham
    Member

    and also pinchas halachickly endangered his life [the gemara lists a lot of nissim that happened to him] . chazal say [refer back to the gemara in sanhedrin ] that if zimri seperated himself from her he would have been a rotzeach and a rodef and zimri could have legally killed pinchas. chazal say pinchas didn’t chesbon anything[in fact if he has to ask a shaila beforehand he is not allowed to ] it was his immediate reaction scince he truelly cared for kavod hashem hte only way he could react was that

    agav i think by being here you are missing time that you can hang up some ‘kanous ‘ against the internet. n

    #642866

    ujm
    Participant

    shtultzy, so which side of the argument are you taking?

    #642870

    kapusta
    Participant

    What a nice monolouge between shtultzy guy, ujm and chuck schwab… 😉 anyone else part of it that I missed?

    *kapusta*

    #642872

    Jothar
    Member

    Mesilas Yesharim defines kanoi. A kanoi isn’t someone with anger issues who bashes people as a way of getting out his anger. A kanoi is someone who loves Hashem and therefore is offended by breaches in Hashem’s honor. Big difference. According to the book “In Their Shadow” by Shlomo Lorincz, the Chazon ish referred to the Neturei karta as “Yidden from before Mattan Torah”, meaning their kinah wasn’t related to the Torah. That is how they were able to hug anti-Semites generations later. The Brisker Rav, the supreme Torah-based kanoi, refused to attend most demonstrations as they were filled with the wrong kind of kanoim. The Brisker Rav (who used to care for mamzer orphans left on his doorstep) and the Chazon Ish (also known for his tremendous chessed and ahavas yisroel) were the right kind of kanoim, which wasn’t sinah but a milchama for Hashem’s honor. It’s better to be known as an eved Hashem than a kanoi. Negative middos like kanois are very dangerous and should only be used by those who can counteract it with Ahavas Hashem and Ahavas habriyos, like Pinchos, the Chazon Ish, and the Brisker Rov.

    I once heard a cute vort from Rabbi Berel Wein on a tape, quoting some Rebbe:

    Why is Chukas-Balak a double parsha and Mattos-Maasei a double parsha but Pinchas stands by itself? Because nobody wants to be mishtatef with a kanoi!

    (I would have said it’s because Pinchos has 167 pesukim, the second-largest Parsha in the torah by pesukim, but that’s why I’m a litvak).

    #642873

    feivel
    Participant

    Moshe said to Hashem in Parshas Shmini:

    shlach NA (send please), who you will send

    one vort:

    he was referring to Nadav and Avihu, who Chazal say were greater than Moshe and Aharon.

    NA meaning Nadav and Avihu (send Nadav and Avihu)

    Nadav and Avihu, who were combined as a gilgul in NA, Navi Eliyahu, NA

    #642874

    moish01
    Member

    hey wasn’t pinchas eliyahu? and he was already born before nadav and avihu died, no?

    #642875

    feivel
    Participant

    to clarify

    according to the Zohar HaKodesh

    even though Pinchas was alive when Nadav and Avihu “died”, their souls entered Pinchas. and joined with him to become a gilgul in Eliyahu

    #642876

    moish01
    Member

    squeak, (wherever you are) feivel is officially one of my “teachers.” between all his wondrous creations (is that what they’re called??) and now this stuff – wow!

    #642877

    feivel
    Participant

    Moishe:

    if you notice the posting times,

    i answered your question before you asked it

    thanks for the compliment

    #642878

    moish01
    Member

    yeah i saw that

    #642879

    moish01
    Member

    and compliment?? sorry bout that, i didn’t mean to 😉

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