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In the navi shiur last night , while explaining how to announce the molad in shul on Shabbos mevorchim and what the time announced actually means, Rabbi Reisman advised everyone to change their clocks and governor.
He also gave a blessing that ‘May the best man win.”Jackk: After the shiur you surely approached Rav Reisman shlit”a privately and gave him tochacha for having mislead the public into voting for a right-wing abortion-banning election-denying execution-supporting Trumpian politician for Governor of New York.
Right?
Please be דן לכף זכות that he realized his mistake and did תשובה.
ujm,
Jack K would never ever consider interacting, even privately, with Morenu V’Rabbenu HaRav Reisman Shlit’a , or any other Rav, in such a fashion of giving them tochacha.
I assume that they consider the issue of the NYS DOE interfering in NY Yeshiva education – which Zeldin has promised to impede and prevent – to be an issue which trumps all the other issues this year.
If he is elected, he better deliver on this promise.
Please be דן לכף זכות that he realized his mistake and did תשובה.
Who, jackk, or Rabbi Reisman?
Also, I didn’t realize it was April 1st.
Are you ח״ו insinuating that if not for the NYS DOE interference he would have said to vote Democrat? Do you plan to vote Republican since that’s what דעת תורה advised to do?
I was referring to the one that seems to have done a 180 within the past week.
(I did take an early retirement from the Coffee Room about 10 years ago- not sure if you remember what happened back then- and made an annual guest appearance on April 1st. Now that I’m back from retirement, albeit in a different capacity, I don’t make a grand appearance on April Fools.)
Dr Pepper,
Having my own political views based on my understanding of what Hashem wants for Jews in Golus living in a democratic country, and respecting Rabbanim and Rosh Yeshivos, and their political views, are all part of Torah.
Halevai, those that believe that their political views allow them to disrespect Rebbe’s and thousands of frum jews should do a 180.
Jackk: You should be making your views subservient to the views of Daas Torah. Yes, even regarding elections in a democracy.
ujm,
Halevai, those that believe that their political views are following DAAS TORAH should follow DAAS TORAH in every aspect of their lives.
Why do we trust him more than her when he intermarried and has non Jewish children?
@Reb Eliezer-
She already proved that she’s our enemy and we can’t rely on her. Even if you don’t know if you can trust him you should vote for him since it can’t get much worse.
As far as his family is concerned- while him marrying a non-Jew is against Halacha it’s not immoral. Besides- we’re voting for him for his policies, not for the way he acts in his personal life.
If his marriage bothers you so much why did you vote for President Biden if he committed adultery with Jill while she was married to someone else. That’s both against Halacha and immoral.
In New York they could have voted by mail. As the yeshivas are threatened the answer is yes.
The above is posted to the wrong topic.
@Dr. Pepper
I do remember your taking “early retirement”, although I don’t remember the cause (I have a vague recollection of your mentioning that your wife only allowed the annual cameo appearance).
There is a silver lining in that some of the most endangered groups voted for hochul. So she won’t be entirely noteir venokem on the frum world who by and large came out for zeldin – my rosh yeshiva said that askonim should have told people quietly to vote got zeldin, because he seems to want to help the yeshivos, but not publicly, because any pleas we can make of hochul will fall on deaf ears if we as a community openly fought her election.
>>> my rosh yeshiva said that askonim should have told people quietly to vote got zeldin, because he seems to want to help the yeshivos, but not publicly,
How many people could askonim privately contact to give over the message? How would they counter the messege that would be blaring everywhere from the “askonim” who have personal interest in Hochul winning that would be screaming everywhere “Vote Hochul. She is a great friend of the community!!!”
That would also would have created a situation where no one will even TRY to get the frum vote anymore. If the standard will be that the frum community is always told by to vote for who those we think will win anyway what does the candidate in the lead have to lose by taking anti-frum positions? What does he have to gain by offering anything? Our vote is anyway determined by who we think will win.
several thouts here:
Was not antagonizing the governments one of the shevuos? I hope voting against someone is not break the shevua in a free country. But maybe NY politics is vindictive enough so that the governor will act against those who did not vote for her?Just voting itself should be sufficient to raise power of the community
After election, maybe we should take the shevua seriously and try to accommodate demands where they are reasonable. If you don’t take the shevua seriously, then you have no excuse not to move to EY.
aaq, the shevuos, whether they themselves or the overarching theme chazal teach us about galus, were the idea behind what my rosh yeshiva said.
as to your question about how people could find out without making a huge production with flags etc…word spreads very quickly. all it takes is kids to be told it in schools; they bring it home to parents, emails can be sent out, etc..in a way that doesnt breach the law against non profits endorsing politicians. rabbonim can speak about it in shul on shabbos when theyre not being recorded…it’s really not that hard.
Whether or not our internal campaigns are on street sigbs, they see the election results.
Second, our own news outlers won’t hild back for a minute.
Anyhow, I find it very disturbing that there exists such a notion that we should vote by intimidation rather than by interests. So, instead of campaigning by us or promising the most important thing we ask for, she’ll instead threaten that if we don’t then she’ll “really” turn against us?
Avira, I hear you on what your RY said. I was not the one questioning this. It really depends on local conditions. If your governor would act against voters, then it is reasonable to be quiet. Especially, as it seems from the result, the R- did not really have a chance. The question now is what will your community do after the election. Continue insisting that our schools should be getting government funds and not be accountable for what they do with them or find some reasonable accommodation.
>>> all it takes is kids to be told it in schools;
You would vote for someone based on who your kids come home from school saying to vote for?
>>>emails can be sent out,
Those emails are quickly going to make it to The New York Times and other virulently anti-Semitic sites that will twist them to say something they aren’t and cause even more problems. Look what happened with Rabbi Fruchthandlers letter.
>>>rabbonim can speak about it in shul on shabbos
What about rabbonim who don’t speak in shul every Shabbos or who never speak about politics and certainly not on Shabbos (probably the majority) Do you want them all to get involved in elections? I don’t
Anyway who would be spreading the message to the schools and shul rabbonim? How would they do it a way that is much more private than the way it was already done?
halevi, the results are not the same as a full blown attack on her. She understands that not everyone will vote for her, but it’s a different level when you campaign against her.
As for media outlets picking up on it – chaval. Some jewish media know when not to run stories and some are looking exclusively for clicks. Hamaven yavin.
Speaking in shul about politics risks the tax free status.
Avira, some of the big Chasiduses endorsed Hochul for the very reason you’re outlining.
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