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  • #601316

    popa_bar_abba
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    The venti size tea comes with 2 teabags. Hence, the additional cost. (There may still be some questions, but my original critique was wrong.)

    I think that leaves everyone as retarded. (You are still all retarded because of my other points in that thread. We can therefore reset everyone to normal.

    #1200423

    TheGoq
    Participant

    “I think that leaves….”

    Is that like a pun popa tea leaves??

    #1200424

    cinderella
    Member

    Hey! I never get 2 teabags with my venti. I should sue.

    #1200425

    happiest
    Member

    Pet peeve of mine- can we please use another adjective over ‘retarded’. It bothers me when this word is just thrown around.

    #1200426

    smartcookie
    Member

    Aaah… Pops is using his favorite word again. Getting boring.

    #1200427

    tro11
    Member

    Pet peeve of mine- can we please use another adjective over ‘retarded’. It bothers me when this word is just thrown around.

    Flame

    #1200428

    smartcookie
    Member

    Happiest- don’t even bother. Apparently Popa doesn’t have a mentally retarded child and cannot understand why some people would be hurt by this word being thrown around.

    #1200429

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Retarted just means slow. First of all this means Popa himself may be (gasp) retarted. Second of all, it isn’t an offensive way of describing a negative attribute, just a negative attribute. If people get insulted from non-insults, that’s their own prerogative.

    #1200430

    always here
    Participant

    but why aren’t the Mods more sensitive to our feelings?! :/

    #1200431

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Nobody has yet explained cogently what is offensive about the word. I already agreed to stop if someone would.

    (If you give me 20 bucks, I’ll take a stab at it.)

    #1200432

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    Inherently insulting things should be banned. It is easier to ban thin-skinned people than it is to ban all the things that insult them. If I decide the name “theyeshivaworld” offends me (which it does a little), should it be changed?

    #1200433

    YehudahTzvi
    Participant

    happiest: You are right. Derech Eretz, people. There is no reason to use this special needs classification as a pejorative. Think of those who have mentally retarded siblings, children, students. I know I will get flamed for this, but I think it’s just mean and wrong.

    #1200434

    flowers
    Participant

    Wikipedia:

    ” The terms mental retardation and mentally retarded were invented in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which were deemed to have become offensive. By the end of the 20th century, these terms themselves have come to be widely seen as disparaging and politically incorrect and in need of replacement.”

    #1200435

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The terms mental retardation and mentally retarded were invented in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which were deemed to have become offensive. By the end of the 20th century, these terms themselves have come to be widely seen as disparaging and politically incorrect and in need of replacement.

    In other words, any term used to describe something or someone in a negative way will eventually be considered disparaging.

    Much like certain terms which describe members of various ethnic groups.

    #1200436

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    The terms mental retardation and mentally retarded were invented in the middle of the 20th century to replace the previous set of terms, which were deemed to have become offensive. By the end of the 20th century, these terms themselves have come to be widely seen as disparaging and politically incorrect and in need of replacement.

    In other words, any term used to describe something or someone in a negative way will eventually be considered disparaging.

    Much like certain terms which describe members of various ethnic groups.

    #1200437

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    DY: you mean any word used to describe something which is actually negative will eventually be considered disparaging.

    Well, I think that is stupid.

    I agree we shouldn’t use words which describe ethnic groups which attained a negative connotation. But that is different, since the ethnic groups aren’t actually bad, they were just considered inferior for stupid reasons, and using those words perpetuates that.

    But words for things that are actually negative, it doesn’t make sense to keep changing the word.

    #1200438

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    DY: you mean any word used to describe something which is actually negative will eventually be considered disparaging.

    Actually, I meant a word used to describe something which is seen as negative.

    Well, I think that is stupid.

    Another good example. 😉

    I agree we shouldn’t use words which describe ethnic groups which attained a negative connotation. But that is different, since the ethnic groups aren’t actually bad, they were just considered inferior for stupid reasons, and using those words perpetuates that.

    But words for things that are actually negative, it doesn’t make sense to keep changing the word.

    I lost you there. You seem to be saying that mentally disabled people are bad.

    I know you didn’t mean that, but that’s what it sounded like.

    #1200439

    flowers
    Participant

    DY: The term has to keep on changing thanks to people like Popa who use it in disparagement.

    #1200440

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    DY: No, I didn’t mean to say they are bad. I meant that it is bad to be retarded. The reason people use the word in a negative way, is because it is negative.

    Racial terms have come to have a negative meaning beyond the actual definition. So that calling someone n


    doesn’t mean only “Black,” it also means inferior.

    Retarded doesn’t have a negative secondary meaning. It only means mentally disabled. The negative meaning is the actual definition.

    #1200441

    yoya
    Member

    popa-

    if you’re offending so many people than why don’t you just stop using the term?? even if you don’t understand why it is offensive, obviously if so many ppl. are uncomfortable than something is not quite kosher with it! thank you!

    #1200442

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    yoya: nobody was offended yet. Everybody is saying I shouldn’t use it because I will offend someone else. Well, I don’t think there is a someone else.

    #1200443

    yoya
    Member

    Popa- How do you know that someone who doesn’t post is reading it but chooses not to comment. You don’t know that people are not getting offended reading this.

    #1200444

    gefen
    Participant

    yoya – do you really think popa cares?

    #1200445

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    gefen! Wow, one little snarky comment at you, and we’re back to the old feud? I was kidding! (in the other thread)

    Blast it!

    #1200446

    gefen
    Participant

    popa- wow you actually sound hurt. well at least you admit it was a snarky comment. therefore i would have to say that if we’re back to the old feud, u started it. 😉

    btw – you haven’t even responded to my last comment on the other thread.

    #1200447

    smartcookie
    Member

    Popa- if you don’t understand it yourself, then maybe you should re-evaluate who is the retarded one here…

    #1200448

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Popa- if you don’t understand it yourself, then maybe you should re-evaluate who is the retarded one here…

    Blazes! That is the title of the thread

    #1200449

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    popa,

    No, I didn’t mean to say they are bad. I meant that it is bad to be retarded.

    Yes, I knew that (in fact , I even said it!)

    I think the reason people think it’s offensive is because it is often used as a pejorative. If I call you “retarded”, I’m insulting you. Now if someone who has a developmentally disabled child hears that, they’re offended, because I’ve used a description of their child as a term of belittlement.

    Sort of how your mother might feel if I started calling anyone in the CR who said something silly a “popa”.

    Now do I get $20?

    #1200450

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Ok, but why should they be offended? They are retarded, and they already know it is a bad thing to be. They should feel validated.

    It is just a descriptive word. And it describes something.

    If I call you a fatso, and you aren’t but you do eat too much; does that offend fat people?

    #1200451

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Actually, it probably does. Go figure.

    Racial terms are also descriptive, yet you agree they’re offensive.

    #1200452

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    How about “blind” or “deaf”?

    If we’re watching a kids ballgame and I berate my kid for messing up, and call him “blind.”

    Also, you didn’t address the chiluk I made, in terms of a secondary meaning.

    #1200453

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    How about “blind” or “deaf”?

    A good kasha. I would differentiate by pointing out that mentally retarded people were looked down upon more than deaf or blind people, so it’s more comparable to a racial epithet.

    Also, you didn’t address the chiluk I made, in terms of a secondary meaning.

    You’re right, I kind of missed it.

    Now that I look at it, your chiluk (and I assume you’re referring to the fatso comparison) would be true if people weren’t insulted when being called fatso. This is probably worse, though, because I imagine that someone having a developmentally disabled child would be whole lot more sensitive about it than if they had an overweight child.

    All that having been said, whatever the reason, I think it’s considered PC to avoid the term, and considered somewhat crude to use it.

    #1200454

    happiest
    Member

    Popa, I hope you saw my apology in your other thread (the one asking the mods to close this thread). If not, please take a ride over there and look at it.

    I really mean every single word I have said!!!

    #1200456

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I thought popa wanted the Starbucks crazy thread closed. Which one was it, pba?

    #1200457

    ED IT OR
    Participant

    whilst we are asking how about:

    daft, stupid, thick, crazy, troll,……

    #1200458

    happiest
    Member

    Daas- could be you’re right. I just assumed it was this one since it seemed like he was getting dumped on in this thread.

    I guess I shouldn’t assume anything anymore:)

    #1200459

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    DY: Sorry, I responded to you, but it looks like my reply didn’t make it past the mods (weird because I cut and pasted a previous comment.)

    I referred to the chiluk I made between terms which have acquired a negative secondary meaning, and words whose negative association is only from the actual primary definition.

    I quote from above: Racial terms have come to have a negative meaning beyond the actual definition. So that calling someone n


    doesn’t mean only “Black,” it also means inferior. There is a secondary meaning of “inferior.” Being Black is not actually inferior, but racists use it in that way, until the term they used “n—-” acquired a secondary meaning of “inferior.”

    Retarded doesn’t have a negative secondary meaning. It only means mentally disabled. The negative meaning is the actual definition.

    #1200460

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Retarded has indeed taken on a second meaning – you even use it that way! You don’t literally mean that someone who overspends on tea, or doesn’t chap that they could buy a coffee and spill it out, is mentally retarded; you are disparaging their (or your) lack of astuteness.

    It’s primary meaning is someone with limited IQ, it’s secondary meaning is an insult.

    I thought you meant something else, does that make me retarded? 🙂

    #1200461

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Yes, but the insult is that they are retarded. Because being retarded is bad.

    There is no secondary meaning. When you call someone who has low IQ “retarded,” you don’t also mean “insult.”

    #1200462

    yitayningwut
    Participant

    Hey Popa, you got a new subtitle! (You don’t find it offensive, do you?)

    #1200463

    saywhat
    Member

    Popa, I do see the merit in the constant evolution of the word. Maybe one day we’ll find the right one, maybe we wont and will keep on changing it out of sensitivity. True it is annoying to have to keep up on what words some people might find offensive. hurtful. Is that too big a sacrifice?

    #1200464

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    saywhat:

    You see merit in constant evolution of the word? Explain why please.

    Maybe one day we’ll find the right one? Oh, the problem is that we haven’t found the right one? Too many syllables. Now too few. Ok, enough syllables, but now there are too many hard sounds.

    Sure, I don’t mind avoiding words that people find offensive. The gemara says you shouldn’t say “hang the fish” in front of someone whose ancestors were hanged.

    But, that is a legitimate offense- not one made up by morons. The gemara doesn’t say you shouldn’t say “hang the prisoner” in front of someone whose ancestors were hanged.

    #1200465

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    There is no secondary meaning. When you call someone who has low IQ “retarded,” you don’t also mean “insult.”

    No, the insult has to do with how the person is not properly using his intelligence, whereas retarded refers to an inherent lack of intelligence.

    #1200466

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Moron (psychology)

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Moron is a term once used in psychology to denote mild mental retardation.[1] The term was closely tied with the American eugenics movement.[2] Once the term became popularized, it fell out of use by the psychological community, as it was used more commonly as an insult than as a psychological term.

    Origin and uses

    “Moron” was coined in 1910 by psychologist Henry H. Goddard[3] from the Ancient Greek word ????? (moros), which meant “dull”[4] (as opposed to oxy, which meant “sharp”), and used to describe a person with a mental age in adulthood of between 8 and 12 on the Binet scale.[5] It was once applied to people with an IQ of 51-70, being superior in one degree to “imbecile” (IQ of 26-50) and superior in two degrees to “idiot” (IQ of 0-25). The word moron, along with others including, “idiotic,” “imbecilic,” “stupid,” and “feeble-minded,” was formerly considered a valid descriptor in the psychological community, but it is now deprecated in use by psychologists.[6]

    Following opposition to Goddard’s attempts to popularize his ideas,[7] Goddard recanted his earlier claims about the moron: “It may still be objected that moron parents are likely to have imbecile or idiot children. There is not much evidence that this is the case. The danger is probably negligible.”[8]

    #1200467

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    So, popa, do you think the people who decided that the word “retarded” is an insult all had an IQ between 51-70?

    #1200468

    ED IT OR
    Participant

    definitely popa’s best subtitle yet….

    #1200469

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Any response, popa?

    #1200470

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    nope

    #1200471

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Thanks.

    #1200472

    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    This thread is so Polish 🙂

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