June 22, 2021 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm #1985481
politicians and others are constantly raising the point that the USA and the rest of the world have to make a plan in the advent of another pandemic. (of course we must mention that there was such a drill half a year BEFORE someone leaked the virus from the lab….)
I’m just curious, what in the world are they supposed to discuss? like, there are so many variables–how spreadable might it be, how dangerous, how many people might already be infected… are they going to make an algorithm with the different factors and decide based on that what measures to take?June 23, 2021 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1985503
there are lots of lessos learned from this pandemic and new questions:
– need to monitor for outbreaks and react to them in real time (closing borders was considered impolite, not anymore)
– domestic (or democratic) production of medicine and other strategic goods (not just USA, EU is looking at that also)
– quick vaccine development (mRNA) and methods to do Phase 3s quickly (Trump’s achievement)
– accountability (not solved). Would we allow someone to claim a mistake for a minor nuclear explosion or would we invoke MAD doctrine? should the same apply to bio-weapons?
– decoupling of virus protection from politics (not solved)June 23, 2021 1:31 am at 1:31 am #1985513rightwriterParticipant
Maybe monitor labs so that these viruses don’t get unleashed into the world? Or maybe shut down labs that are creating harmful viruses for whatever reason?June 23, 2021 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1985534Sam KleinParticipant
Klal yisroel needs to do serious teshuva ASAP together as a nation before the next pandemic mageifa hits the world C”V
1) Nothing just happens by coincidence let’s all confess and admit openly to Hashem the famous line me know of “Ain poranius baolam Ela b’shvil Yisroel” which means no tragedy befalls the world other than on the account of klal yisroel.
So at the end of the day with us still in the midst of the coronavirus mageifa and millions already dead, there’s no one to blame but ourselves and it could have all been avoided if we had just woken up like in the story of Purim to serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together to return to Hashem as one loving nation.
2)a person is not supposed to prepare for a sudden tragedy to come or else he is putting a ayin hara and curse upon himself. Hishtadlus us responsible by everyone for NATURAL things that happen daily in the world but not for Volcanoes, Hurricanes or Pandemics etc…. When these kind of these are upcoming C”V it’s supposed to immediately awaken the nation to serious accounting of why Hashem would be about to bring such a horrific tragedy upon his nation and immediately get them to return to Hashem with serious teshuva and achdus before any tragedy befalls or strikes the world.June 23, 2021 9:40 am at 9:40 am #1985700ubiquitinParticipant
“I’m just curious, what in the world are they supposed to discuss? like, there are so many variables–how spreadable might it be, how dangerous, how many people might already be infected… are they going to make an algorithm with the different factors and decide based on that what measures to take?”
Exactly they discuss all those things.
They have had such discussions in the past as you mentioned, and as you would hope
Fire fighters run practice drills, doctors run mock “codes” of course each situation is different, that is MORE of a reason to prepare and prepare not less.June 23, 2021 9:41 am at 9:41 am #1985684
Teshuva on what? Personal interactions which was curtailed because of the virus. We should see the good in each other. It says betzedek tishpot amisecha, if you judge people for the good, followed by lo selech rachil beamecha, you will not go and gossip about each other.June 23, 2021 9:42 am at 9:42 am #1985680akupermaParticipant
If there is “real” pandemic (not a bad case of flu), we will be dealing with all ages (not just the sick and elderly) becoming seriously ill, and with a most people who become infected become seriously ill or dying (rather than 90% getting nothing worse than cold symptoms, if that much), and with the death rate increasing by tens of percent rather than tenths of percent (not thousands dying, but tens of millions).
The measures that were regarded by many people as excessive for Covid-19 would then be appropriate, however the public health people and the various mass media (including YWN) have the “boy who cried wolf” problem and won’t be believed. In the false alarm of Covid-19, communities that didn’t take the established media seriously (in the USA, these tended be “red”, meaning conservative and deplorable) fared no worse, and perhaps better, than those who bought the story (the “blue” and elites) that we were dealing with a horrific pandemic that threatened the existence of society. In a real epidemic, that will not be the case.
Ha-Shem creates viruses and germs, and it is not for us to argue or question Ha-Shem. However Ha-Shem is not responsible for creating power-grabbing politicians, political correct scientists, or mass media drumming up circulation with fake news.June 23, 2021 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1985739Sam KleinParticipant
When someone is C”V Hit privately by Hashem with a wake up call of a serious sickness or a child loss in the family C”V he is supposed to immediately stop everything and make an accounting of his life to why Hashem would do this to him.
(Example: if his foot was injured C”V what did he do wrong with his feet? perhaps hut someone or go somewhere not permitted to go using his feet to get there and take the foot sickness as an immediate wake up message from Hashem for serious teshuva so Hashem sends him a refuah shleima ASAP for his foot)
However when a PUBLIC tzara strikes the world like a public coronavirus mageifa striking everyone to take precautions or a hurricane etc…. This is a direct message from Hashem directly to klal yisroel as a nation even if some people don’t live in the location where the hurricane hit land. As I mentioned previously we all know the true famous line in yiddishkeit and can’t deny the truth of “ain poranius baolam Ela b’shvil Yisroel”
May all of klal yisroel come together as soon as possible for serious teshuva and achdus ASAP so all tzaros can come to a complete stop and Mashiach can come immediately.June 23, 2021 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #1985742
” need to monitor for outbreaks and react to them in real time (closing borders was considered impolite, not anymore)”
Ok, not sure how much there is to discuss on this.
“domestic (or democratic) production of medicine and other strategic goods (not just USA, EU is looking at that also)”
Medicine for what? Hypothetical new viruses?
“quick vaccine development (mRNA) and methods to do Phase 3s quickly (Trump’s achievement)”
ok, could be.
“accountability (not solved). Would we allow someone to claim a mistake for a minor nuclear explosion or would we invoke MAD doctrine? should the same apply to bio-weapons?”
This isn’t preparation for a pandemic.
“decoupling of virus protection from politics (not solved)”
And won’t be, no matter how many committees are formed for it.
“Maybe monitor labs so that these viruses don’t get unleashed into the world? Or maybe shut down labs that are creating harmful viruses for whatever reason?”
Also not preparation for a pandemic.June 23, 2021 5:41 pm at 5:41 pm #1985830
Sam Klein. I don’t know what you talking about. A responsibilty on the public is a responsibility on each individual of the group.June 23, 2021 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1985868
RebE > . A responsibilty on the public is a responsibility on each individual of the group.
I think Sam is pointing out that when the tzara is for a group, then it relates to the problems of the whole group. [see Pharaoh’s dreams when he was not satisfied with explanations that were personal and not communal].
And if the group ( a gantze velt in this case) includes Jews, then Jews might be the problem [see Yona on the ship]. So, maybe anti-semites have a point blaming Jews for all kind of problems [See Beitza 25, why Hashem gave Jews Torah to protect the world from us]June 24, 2021 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm #1986194commonsaychelParticipant
“Ha-Shem creates viruses and germs, and it is not for us to argue or question Ha-Shem. However Ha-Shem is not responsible for creating power-grabbing politicians, political correct scientists, or mass media drumming up circulation with fake news.”
How well said!June 28, 2021 6:12 am at 6:12 am #1986681ari-freeParticipant
Before the pandemic i wasn’t consistent about getting enough vitamin d and other vitamins every day. While certain vitamins such as vitamin c are very easy to get from food, its not so easy to get vitamin d unless you want to eat salmon and herring every day. As a result, most people are deficient … there’s no need to take ridiculous amounts, just 100% every day in order to not have a deficiencyJune 28, 2021 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1986876
A better way to prepare for the next “new virus” pandemic is to get younger.
On the other hand, you want to prepare for all other viruses it pays to be older and already have the t-cells. So, it is catch-22.
According to Zeynab Tufekci, there was a pandemic in the 70s that killed 700K people – all in the 20s and younger … As they know now, it was because it was a virus from the 50s that Chinese continue testing on live people and it eventually went “viral” and affected only those who were not affected in the 50s.July 2, 2021 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1988215
When corona started, I heard the pandemic came from eating Chinese food. But even in other countries restaurants still serve Chinese food. Maybe we all need to switch to Japanese? What is preferred? Chow Mein, or salmon tempura?July 2, 2021 6:21 pm at 6:21 pm #1988216
If that doesn’t work because you like traditional food, then stick with good old Jewish food… lox and cream cheese on a pumpernickel bagel. Sometimes, you gotta spend money to make money, even if you only get 5 cents. Most don’t even understand the value of a nickel. My grandparents used to ride the nyc subway to work for a nickel. How do you think they had that nickel for the subway? You guessed it… pumpernickel bagel with cream cheese and lox.July 2, 2021 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #1988235
they were actually paid for eating bagels and lox?
btw you can’t ride the subway for a nickel anymore.July 6, 2021 3:53 pm at 3:53 pm #1988987
Yes… all about how money has been devalued. The reason money is so valuable, is because it allows people to work together to help each other out. If someone needs food prepared for them all the time, not everyone is willing to volunteer to cook for them what they desire, causing the needy to feel like a burden. However, the value of money, is that if the one in need of a chef has money to offer as payment to get what he desires, now the ones who wouldn’t share their talent to better the needy one’s life, changes their perception that it’s beneficial to help out. That is the true value of money. Not forcing those who don’t have money, to submit to other people in order to get what they need.July 12, 2021 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1990856
The Binah Leitim interprets the passage eizehu ashir hasomeach bechlka , that a person is reach when he can use his wealth to make others happy and thereby making himself happy.July 14, 2021 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm #1991476
Above should be rich.
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