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    MichaelB
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    B”H I was fortunate to spend many years in top yeshivos both in the US and in EY. The Rabbehim, Roshei Yeshiva and Mashgichim gave the usual Mussar Shmoozim about life, devoting more time to learning etc…but never once was the topic of being honest in business or with handling money brought up. Perhaps, in light of all the recent news regarding yeshivish/heimishe cheating, we need to incorporate these ideals in a more direct fashion into our own chinnuch.

    Your thoughts are welcome…

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    so right
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    Frankly, the Gedolei Roshei Yeshivos and Roshei Kollel know a lot better what and what not to shmooze about to the Talmidim, than does an anonymous internet poster.

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    2qwerty
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    MichaelB,

    I completely agree with you. And it reminds me of the following story…

    A student of Rabbi Yisroel Salanter once approached him with the following dilemma. “I’ve been a shochet (ritual slaughterer) for many years. As I grow older, I become more concerned about my responsibilities. The fear of causing others to eat non-kosher meat is overwhelming. I would like to stop slaughtering and go into business instead!” Rabbi Yisroel Salanter asked him, “Are you an expert in the laws of slaughtering?” “Of course, Rebbe, I have studied the laws of shechita for many years!” Rabbi Yisroel Salanter then asked, “Are you expert in the laws of business?” The student laughed, “Of course not, very few people learn Choshen Mishpat (the section in the Shulchan Oruch [The Code of Jewish Law] that discusses business law)!” Said Rabbi Yisroel Salanter, “You are not making any sense – If you are prepared to stop slaughtering because of your fear of sinning, even though you are an expert in the laws, how much more so should you fear sinning in business, in which you have no expertise in its halachos!”

    Source: http://www.torah.org/advanced/business-halacha/

    #711148

    WIY
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    MichaelB

    Obviously they didn’t realize how out of hand it has gotten. Someone who is a true ben torah could never steal. Its one of the Aseres Hadibros (parshas veeschanan)

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    chesedname
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    WIY

    it’s talking about kidnaping, not stealing

    #711151

    WIY
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    chesedname

    The Aseres Hadibros are mentioned 2x in the Torah Parshas Yisro and Parshas Veeschanan. In Yisro it refers to kidnapping in Veeschanan it refers to theft. Look at Rashi.

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    chesedname
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    WIY

    i looked on line ( i don’t have a chumash on me) so i might have missed something, from what i saw in Veeschanan Rashi doesn’t say anything

    #711153

    WIY
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    chesedname

    I dont remember the exact source I will have to find it later. However Rashi in Yisro says

    You shall not steal: The text refers to kidnapping. [The verse] [verse] refers only to stealing money and the one written further (in Lev.) refers to kidnapping? You must admit that [the meaning of] a statement is derived from its context. Just as [the former two commandments] [and] [i.e., a sin punishable by death] [from Sanh. 86a]

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