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  • #1922391
    Gadolhadorah
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    Given the toxic relationship between the NYC/NYS governments and large segments of the frum tzibur and their total lack of credibility within those communities, it is critical that there be an INDEPENDENT effort among Rabbonim, frum medicial professionals and other influential askanim to encourage yidden to get the new Covid vaccinations as they become available within the next several months. Cuomo’s comments notwithstanding, the vaccine development and approval process seems to have been conducted to the highest standards of safety and efficacy. Assuming they are approved by the FDA, We shouldn’t rely on the typical “public service announcements” since they will be tuned out by many who have lost all confidence in the elected leadership within the city and state.

    #1922429
    charliehall
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    Gadolhatorah is right. Cuomo had no business making those comments. The clinical trials have been done correctly. The private sector can be trusted.

    #1922797
    Theprophet
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    Why should we promote the vaccine?

    #1922858
    Amil Zola
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    I’m not in NY, but I have questions about the vaccines potential interactions with meds that I’ve not found answered anywhere. I’m provax get flu shots, keep the tetanus up to date, pneumonia et al. It’s easy for me to research interactions on my current vaccines but not on the new stuff.

    The reality is, it will take some time for these vaccines to trickle down to the average citizen. Maybe by then there will be some concrete answers.

    #1922959
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    I never even thought of drug interactions! Thanks for mentioning that. I’m going to ask a pharmacist friend of mine what she knows about that.

    #1922973
    flowers
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    the vaccine development and approval process seems to have been conducted to the highest standards of safety and efficacy.

    Gadolhadorah: There is no way you can possibly know this. Do you know everything that was done to ensure the process was done “to the highest standards of safety and efficacy?”

    Even if you can claim to have real inside info (which I highly doubt), it is not even possible for anyone to know if the vaccines are totally safe, as sufficient time has to pass before we see if it won’t have any negative effects. It can take years to determine if a vaccine is totally safe, not a mere few months.

    In my view, the only ones who should take this vaccine (after it has been deemed assumingly safe), are those for whom covid-19 poses a great risk for them like the elderly, diabetics, and those with compromised immune system. I say “assumingly”, because as I stated, it is impossible to know after such a short time if it’s truly safe.

    #1923150
    Gadolhadorah
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    Note that I said “appeared”. I have no “special insight” as to safety and efficacy of vaccine development beyond comments from Fauci and lower-level professionals I know and trust within NIH and CDC who do have varying levels of insight and were confident regarding the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines using a new platform. However, tonight there appear to be some questions regarding the most recently announced AstroZenica vaccine related to the contrarian results where some patients only received a half dose on the first round but showed higher efficacy. In the end, we will have to wait for another 2 weeks until the CDC issues its findings on the EUA.

    #1923244
    Abba_S
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    The vaccine needs to be administered to about 70% of the population in order to get herd immunity. The Frum community was hard hit with Covid, back in March and many of them should have the antibodies in their system and therefor not need the vaccine. You may say blood test have shown that the antibodies are gone a few months after recovery because the body no longer needs them. and so you can get reinfected. The body knows how to generate these antibodies to fight it so in theory even without the vaccine the second infection should be milder.
    Until covid is cured the economy can’t come back and eventually there will be a famine. We just had an election and if you look at the map most of the blue states are on either coast and the center where most of the food is produced. If there is a civil war or if the farmers or truckers feel slighted and don’t bring food to the cities I don’t think we could survive.

    #1923465
    Theprophet
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    @Godalhodorah
    I honestly can’t understand why your trust the CDC and big pharmaceutical companies that make billions of selling there products and have immunity so we can’t even see them ! Of course they’ll tell you it’s 100 % safe what you expect them to tell you ?!

    #1923568
    Gadolhadorah
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    It appears that Astro-Zenica has called time out on submission of its Phase 3 test results to CDC for an EUA. Late today, the CEO acknowledged that many researchers have raised legitimate questions about the validity of those results showing the experimental vaccine was 90% effective in a sub-group of trial participants who, by error initially, received a half dose followed by a full dose. Instead, they will perform another study on an accelerated basis across a wide spectrum of participants to remove any doubts regarding efficacy. This still leaves two vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna) whose results the FDA committee will review next week.
    In a world of vaccine skeptics, the AZ decision was the prudent way to proceed. Hopefully, the WH will not force a subset of those seeking a vaccination to first be inoculated against TDS.

    #1923597
    charliehall
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    “There is no way you can possibly know this. Do you know everything that was done to ensure the process was done “to the highest standards of safety and efficacy?””

    You can go to clinicaltrials dot gov and read the study designs. I do that a lot. I also read and write detailed protocols for a living; I happen to have two COVID-19 protocols on my computer right now.

    Every clinical trial has a Data Safety Monitoring Committee that monitors the study progress, and every clinical trial is approved by an Institutional Review Board that approves the protocol and any modifications. I am a member of two Institutional Review Boards at my institution and I have been on the Data Safety Monitoring Committees for numerous studies. I have at times forced the termination of studies when it was clear that it was not possible for the studies to show that the investigational treatment would be successful. This system basically works.

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