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  • May 17, 2013 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #609345
    Chortkov
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    I would like to hear the different opinions you guys have about using protektzia to get into a Yeshiva.

    (a) If there are limited spaces, and you are more suitable than anybody else applying.

    (b) If there are limited spaces, and you are not more suitable than anybody else applying.

    (c) If there are no limited spaces, but based on the criteria in the Yeshiva, other people in your circumstances would not be accepted.

    Is it morally incorrect to use Protektzia to get in when others cannot? Or is this normal “Hishtadlus”?

    May 17, 2013 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #953291
    Shopping613 🌠
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    Well I think protekzia is very important, it really goes by the situation, and not just how many spaces and stuff, also the people involved . They may have bigger problems than yours and not just about a yeshiva. Ask a rav. And always judge favorably

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    May 17, 2013 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #953292
    HaLeiVi
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    Not morally incorrect to use it. It might be morally incorrect on the part of the Yeshiva, though.

    May 17, 2013 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #953294
    benignuman
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    I think that situation (a) is okay, (b) is not okay, and with respect to (c)it depends on exactly what those circumstances are and why they apply to you.

    May 17, 2013 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #953295
    TheGoq
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    Can the op enlighten us to what Protektzia is?

    May 17, 2013 7:34 pm at 7:34 pm #953296
    writersoul
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    Protektzia is pull or influence.

    For instance, if I want to got to Prestigious Seminary A, then I have a better chance if my mother’s best friend is the principal.

    May 17, 2013 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #953297
    golfer
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    Why am I not surprised a yekke is asking this question?

    May 18, 2013 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #953298
    Shopping613 🌠
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    It ussually involves money or connections or both

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    May 19, 2013 5:22 am at 5:22 am #953299
    Vogue
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    I used it to get into a seminary, and I was miserable there. I regret it, don’t use it.

    May 19, 2013 5:47 am at 5:47 am #953300
    WIY
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    Vogue

    And if you had gotten in without “pull” you would have been happy there? I don’t follow how using pull lead to your dissatisfaction in Sem.

    May 19, 2013 6:01 am at 6:01 am #953301
    Vogue
    Member

    no, but without pull, I would never have found out about the seminary. I feel like I was “pulled and pushed” into it.

    May 19, 2013 12:30 pm at 12:30 pm #953302
    TheGoq
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    Thank you writersoul sometimes op’s use words that they use all the time and assume everyone else knows these words too its helpful to explain what the word means.

    May 19, 2013 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #953303
    Chortkov
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    Halevi – I like that summary. It would be wrong for them to accept me, but not wrong for me to use it.

    Case (C): The Yeshiva does not accept people to the top shiur who have not already been in any Yeshiva for 3 years. Using connections, it may be possible for one to get in even without those 3 years. The Yeshiva has no lack of places, but they will not accept people too young. Is it morally correct to use the connections to push myself in? (They do not accept people younger because they cannot cope with the shiur. Even if somebody exceptional comes in, they make a “lo plug” rule that NOBODY can come in. With connections, {for somebody who has been advised that he can cope with the shiur}, one can get in. Right or wrong?

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