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    iacisrmma
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    From R’ Moshe Dovid Lebovits Kashrus administrator of the OK and a talmid of Rabbi Belsky.

    Boiling three Eggs
    People would have a separate egg pot or cook three eggs at a time so if one of them would have a blood spot, it would be butel b’rov and all the eggs would be permitted This is not necessary today, since the chance of finding a blood spot is very minimal since the eggs are not fertilized. Based on this, there is no reason to have a separate egg pot.

    #1713074

    Reb Eliezer
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    DY, Does an egg in a shell bolea the pot and make the other 2 in the shells asser?

    #1713099

    Reb Eliezer
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    Thank you iacisrmma. The revelation of issur comes about after the bloody egg is removed, so bitul is not necessary for rov are kosher and we don’t asser it retroactively. The 3 eggs is a chumra.

    #1713158

    laskern, an egg is porous, it is polet and bole’ayah. If the egg would be an eagle’s egg (ossor), the other2 eggs and the pot would be ossur. If there would be meat in the pot, the egg would have a din of meat.

    Mods, what you all thought is a joke or a trolling issue, is clarifying everyday complex halachos about the simple egg, – which Wolf had with cheese this morning.

    #1713197

    Reb Eliezer
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    RG, you said you finished SA, look up SA YD (107,1)

    #1713226

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    From R’ Moshe Dovid Lebovits Kashrus administrator of the OK and a talmid of Rabbi Belsky.

    Boiling three Eggs
    People would have a separate egg pot or cook three eggs at a time so if one of them would have a blood spot, it would be butel b’rov and all the eggs would be permitted This is not necessary today, since the chance of finding a blood spot is very minimal since the eggs are not fertilized. Based on this, there is no reason to have a separate egg pot.

    As I think I mentioned, others disagree.

    #1715061

    iacisrmma – I know that we boil up 3 eggs in case one has a blood spot, it should be bottel.

    The question is 2:1 is only bottel min haTorah. Chazal require 60:1 and only if it can be bottel, hence the question: If you are worried there is a blood spot, require 60:1,

    if you re not worries, they why 3 at all?

    question 2: Eggs are a davar she’b’minyan which is not bottel in ANY number – midrabonon?

    So, why are we only makpid to make bittul min haTorah and ignore the d’Rabbonon.

    More so, what happens when there actually is one egg with a blood spot, are the other 2 eggs ossur mi’drabbon (unless you rely on R’Moshe which permits b’mokom hefsed m’rubah – and most people would not consider losing 2 eggs a great financial loss)?

    Our elevators need to reach the top shelf – although the air is thinner there so less blood flow to the brain.

    #1715222

    Reb Eliezer
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    Repeating again, most eggs don’t have blood. Having 3 is if there was blood in one and the others were affected through the bliah of the pot.

    #1715352

    “the others were affected thru the bliah of the pot” – (1) the affect is via the water that cooked the eggs directly transferring the taste. (2) does the pot need adhering from the bliah. (3) true most eggs are fine, but once you discover one cooked egg that has blood, are the other 2 eggs ossur (midrabbonon)? (4) can the water be used (example for coffee)?

    You keep repeating without addressing the issue of mima nafshoch – if there is a concern, use 60:1, if no concern, why 2:1, and what to do when egg with blood is found (other eggs, pot, water)?

    #1715493

    Reb Eliezer
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    Nat Bar Nat Miderabonon does not need 60 the 3 eggs is a chumra, see SA Y”D 66,2, Pour out the water, pot is ok certainly after a mes les, other eggs are fine. Issur transfers to the water (to the eggs) and (to the pot). The eggs and pot are nat bar nat.

    #1716219

    Not a nat bar nat, but a direct nat. Blood spotted egg to water. The kosher eggs are cooking in this blooded egg “soup”. Eggs are porous and directly absorb or emit their status. The pot would become forbidden, so too the water and also the other 2 eggs

    To illustrate, suppose by mistake you cooked 2 chicken eggs with an eagle’s egg. The 2 chicken eggs are treif (midrabonan, because there is no 60:1), the water is treif, and the pot is treif.

    If you are in agreement, explain the difference between the third egg being an eagle’s or being blood spotted?

    (.I am asking based on opinions that todaay blood spotted eggs are forbidden – the question does not apply if they are mutter, but then there is no need for cooking three eggs at a time to do a bittul, right?)

    #1716258

    Reb Eliezer
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    Blood spoted eggs in their shell are only assur miderabonon as indicated in SA above.

    #1716312

    Reb Eliezer
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    Eagles eggs are assur midoraisa. The water above is nat, but the others mentioned above are seconrary nat bar nat.

    #1716356

    nat bar nat d’hetera or a nat bar nat d’isura – which applies here, and doesn’t require 60:1?!

    #1716429

    Gales
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    Regarding your Eggs and Cheese (with apologies to Dr. Suess)
    I will not eat them at your tish
    I will not eat them from your dish
    Don’t tell me they are so delish
    Because on Pesach I don’t mish

    #1716486

    Don’t cook – One Egg
    Don’t cook – Two Eggs
    Blood spot – Red Egg
    Bottel b’rov – Blue Fish

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