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Just saying.
If you think that this makes me a rasha, so be it.
The Wolf
in my book it makes you normal, not a rasha.
Why, you little scoundrel, you! If you end up in gehenom, so be it.
Just the opposite it makes you a big big tzadik
you are keeping two chumros !
1) treating eggs as meat
and 2) treating milk as meat. You see There is an ancient chumra to treat milk as meat since chalav has the same letters as cheilev. Of course it is meat that cant be eaten with other meat due to a special limud of lo sevashel but this lo sevashel doesn’t apply to egg-meatIf the eggs were removed from a hen that was shechted, you should treat them like meat.
Wolfish: Imagine not even having cake with milk! Unless the cake is vegan, chances are there are eggs in there. I think “Rebbetzin troll” forgot that eggs are in sooo many foods, not just in scrambled, sunny side-up or boiled eggs.
Lucky for her, trolls don’t have to be well thought out or take reality into account when trolling. It’s known as the famous trolling kula, which is based on the fact that trolls don’t die, they live online forever, have no atzmos, yet there are no know kol koros against them.
Please don’t call him a her, Mammele.
The “chumrah” of treating eggs like meat can lead to the sin of not eating cheesecake on Shavuos.
RebYidd- Please don’t say an absolute Halacha without the proper qualification, all it does is increase amhaaratzos. What you quoted is not universally true. Although the Shach brings down from the Marshal the minhag to be Machmir L’chatchila, the Mechaber, Rama in Darchei Moshe, and the Shach didn’t hold of this position. The argue on a L’chatchila level and also on a B’dieved level.
I didn’t say an absolute halacha; I told people how they individually should hold. If they choose to ignore it, that is their call.
If you’re one of those people that puts ketchup on your eggs, I will consider you the epitome of evil.
Neville,
Or paprika
Only a big tzaddik can eat ketchup and eggs and be so removed from mundane matters as to be able to tolerate the taste.
Where can you buy mehadrim eggs from chickens with a good chassideshe hashgacha?? Most eggs come in a cardboard carton with no plumba so its hard to tell.
What kind of cheese? Cheddar? Mozzarella? Muenster?
Come to think of it: Both the cheese and the eggs might be treif. The cheese made from cows undergone that stomach procedure and the eggs from a chicken that was a treifa.
Go back and finish shas again and maseches chulin 11 about rov that we rely on כל דפרוש מרובא פרוש.
A joke comes to mind they said to someone you are like a dog who wants to make everything treif so the dog should get more.
Your heroics are commendable. You are a case study for Rabbonim to decipher. A complex Yid. .
laskern – eggs are sold by the dozen, דבר שבמנין לא בטל ברוב
Reb. then why was there a widespread minhag to boil 3 eggs at a time so that in case one had a blood spot the other two (the rov) would still be able to be used.
We don’t manufacture safekos on your whim.. If there is a shayle its on the shachted chicken which is sold by weight.
Statistical rov eliminates the safek so no bitul is involved. Blood in eggs currently is a statistical rov. Most eggs don’t have blood currently so there is no safek to be botel. When it is found, there is no safek since it found after removed from others so no bitul is involved.
If we find a bloody egg which gets mixed in with other eggs or an egg from a treif chiicken mixed in then we have a problem.
We go after rov by eggs (SA YD 66,8) as mentioned above, so no checking is required, otherwise we could never make hard boiled eggs.
Ah,a, so you “rely” on the rov, but there is room to be machmir and be “choshesh l’mi’uta” (worry about the minority that exist that are treif). – I stress as a chumra, which is what my point was all along.
Rebbitzen Goldenpickanicerscreenname,
“Ah,a, so you “rely” on the rov, but there is room to be machmir and be “choshesh l’mi’uta” (worry about the minority that exist that are treif). – I stress as a chumra, which is what my point was all along.”
No, not really. It’s not a legitimate chumra to deny the validity of a Torah principle such as rov. It’s making up your own Torah like the karaites did, and there are serious halachic problems with that.
RG, I say on you what the Chasam Sofer translated לא תעלה במעלות על מזבחי אשר לא תגלה ערותך עליו the way Ohr Hachaim Hakodash says on לא תשא את שם ה’ אלקך לשוא don’t elevate the name of Hashem falsely. אל תצדק הרבה don’t make yourself more religious. Halvay we should keep what is written as halacha.
RG,. I believe to be חייש למעוטא denying rov your children are mamzerim because you are not trustworthy, bitul is non-existent by you and we don’t pasken like Rabbi Meir.
Hope it wasn’t Green Eggs and Cheese, said Sam I am.
But if you let me be, I will try them, you will see.
Boiling three eggs at a time isn’t fun, for me to score bittul, I need 60-1.
“for me to score bittul, I need 60-1.”
But you’d be wrong. Distorting and making up halachos seems to be a real source of entertainment for you. I’m not sure why we have to be subjected to it.Then please explain why 2-1 is enough to nullify a treif egg?
Isn’t the requirement 60-1 to nullify?
(this, assuming an egg can be nullified, even though it seems to be a dovor sh’b’minyan which cannot be nullified)
Are you trolling, or do you really not know the answer to this? If you sincerely would like to know the basis of the minhag of cooking three eggs, I’d be happy to explain, but if you’re trolling, I have no interest.
מדאורייתא חד בתרי בטל – Midrabonon 60-1 , As we don’t know if it is treif and rov are kosher, dovor shebminyan does not apply, and it is botel berov (if needed).
Honest question. I know treif needs 60 (even though min hatorah 2:1 suffices), so if there is a real concern of a treif egg – especially if one is later discovered, ALL the eggs plus the pot would be treif unless there was a ratio of 60:1 kosher.
(Indeed some have the custom to use a special pot to boil eggs out of kashrus concer…not sure how that plays out practically if a treif is found).
YW Moderator 29— Reb Moshe discusses whether 2 eggs are enough to determine Rov See YD 1:36 (last paragraph)
Honest question. I know treif needs 60 (even though min hatorah 2:1 suffices), so if there is a real concern of a treif egg – especially if one is later discovered, ALL the eggs plus the pot would be treif unless there was a ratio of 60:1 kosher.
Mei’kar hadin, we’re not choshesh for an egg coming from a treifa or having a blood spot. We go according to rov, and in fact we eat food made with unchecked b’dieved.
However, Yisroel kedoshim heim, and a minhag developed to boil three eggs so that in case one is no good, at least m’d’Oraisa it will be batel. (Davar sheb’minyan is also a d’rabbonon.)
The minhag was never to do 61 or to asser b’dieved. I don’t know is 61 would even help, because this is not a taam issue.
Three serious questions:
1. I understand we are not choshesh of having a blood spot, but what if one DOES find an blood spot in one of eggs, are the other 2 eggs ossur and same, does the pot now need kashering? (if one is not maykil to rely on hetter that nowadays the blood spot is not real in cases of hefsed etc)
2. Explain please what you mean by “not a taam issue” – doesn’t the treif egg give out taam into water and into other eggs and into pot? (The shell is porous and the taam travels thru it)
3. Based on “Yisroel kedoshim heim”, why are yidden only concerned to prevent a d’oraysa by doing 2:1 bittul, and not concerned about drobonon to do 60:1? (Alternativly, is there an inyan to be machmir to boil eggs inbatches of 60:1?)“We go according to rov, and in fact we eat food made with unchecked b’dieved.”
Who says it’s b’dieved? (Not a rhetorical question, I’m actually curious). I thought things like mayonnaise and liquid egg in a carton were mutar l’hatchilah even though obviously nobody checked the eggs by eye. They check them in the factory with light censors, by the way.Rov and chazaka say we don’t suspect retrospectively and the others that are not known as treif, so bitul is not necessary.
lasjern, pls explain what you are answering.
I surrender, there is no help for you. Youv are trolling.
From the Star-k dot org
The Mechaber states explicitly that roasted eggs may be eaten even though it is impossible to check them for blood spots, and the Ram”a explains that the rationale for this is based upon the right to rely on the majority of eggs that have no blood spots. The Ram”a notes, however, that the minhag is to check eggs during the daytime when it is possible – but clearly allows the use of unchecked eggs at night since the option of checking them is not available. Concern over blood spotted eggs today is further mitigated by the fact that the vast majority of eggs sold for food are derived from hens that have never been near a male in their lives. Hens are segregated in huge coops at times containing up to a million birds at a time – for the sole purpose of converting chicken feed into eggs. Such eggs are referred to in the Gemara as Safna Me’ar’ah, and the blood found in such eggs would never prohibit the entire egg. The Iggros Moshe, Yoreh De’ah: 36 discusses the status of blood spotted eggs in countries where such eggs predominate and notes that the Minhag is still to discard the entire egg. However, in cases where a blood spotted egg was cooked in a pot with another egg, there is no basis to be concerned with the status of the other egg or the pot (unless one is aware that it is definitely from a fertilized egg).
3. Based on “Yisroel kedoshim heim”, why are yidden only concerned to prevent a d’oraysa by doing 2:1 bittul, and not concerned about drobonon to do 60:1? (Alternativly, is there an inyan to be machmir to boil eggs inbatches of 60:1?) Never heard of such an inyan. But I have heard from numerous sources (grandmother as well as my personal Rov about boiling in batches of 3).
Who says it’s b’dieved?
It’s fine l’chatchilah do eat them, I just mean it’s better to check when possible.
RGP:
1) I believe R Moshe is meikil but others are machmir (I just saw that R Moshe Sternbuch is machmir.
2) That’s a good point, I was thinking about the egg itself, the pot would need 60.
3) It’s all a minhag anyhow, I suppose the minhag was not to that it any worse than a safek, and safek d’rabbonon l’kula.
#2 if obe egg is treif, the other two eggs would be ossur
reb. Maybe you should actually ask your shailos to a rav. My rav told me specifgically that we boil 3 eggs together in case one has blood spot and the two others dont then the two others are kosher. Did you read what Reb Moshe wrote when it’s only two eggs….or you haven’t reached that shelf yet to clean.
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