PSATs and SATs

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  • #602140

    writersoul
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    How do Jewish kids do in general on the PSATs and the SATs (If they take them)? I’m very curious in comparison with the general American population. Please specify which grade you took it in and, if possible, what score you got on each section. Also, specify the old or new SATs.

    Funny stories and extenuating circumstances welcome!

    #956414

    yentingyenta
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    in HS we had to take PSAT’s in 10th grade-was given in school. i think i got somewhere in the 80th percentile. not 100% sure though

    took new SAT’s

    SAT’s-most end up taking it if they want touro israel option. i took it twice-first time got 1850 (600 reading, 610 math, 640 writing). second time around got 1940 (640 reading, 670 math, 630 writing).

    #956415

    OneOfMany
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    It’s the SAT. Not the SATs, not the SAT’s.

    (Sorry. I’m not usually Miss Grammarian, but this is a pet peeve of mine.)

    #956416

    Logician
    Participant

    I prepared seriously, and did extremely well. There were other boys who took it with me, and without any special preparation – and they were smart but not very – got around 1200, def. quite above average for ny, but not ultra impressive. This was the Jan. after 12th grade.

    And don’t believe what they say – you can def. prepare for and crack the SAT

    #956417

    IsometimesAgree
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    my school recently took PSAT’s

    i got in the 95th percentile.

    didnt take the SAT.

    #956418

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    98th percentile verbal. 88th math. The SATs only had 2 sections then.

    #956419

    frumnotyeshivish
    Participant

    OneOfMany – Who’s sorry? “Sorry.” isn’t a sentence. Don’t get hyper-technical. It’s annoying.

    #956420

    writersoul
    Member

    OneOfMany: I know, I know. What can I do? Environment influences me. Everyone talks about the SATs and the PSATs. So I write it.

    And I did well on grammar, by the way.

    #956421

    akuperma
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    Frei Jews tend to do well since they go to schools that “teach for the test”. It’s hard to estimate for frum Jews since many don’t take the test. The test measures how well the student has learned the math and language skills as taught in the secular schools, so obviously kids who speak a dialect at home (Yeshivish mixed with Brooklynese) tend to be at a disadvantage.

    #956422

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    I know. That’s why I’m bugging you guys about it. Certain errors in grammar and diction have become so widespread that even people who know better slip up – they just think that it’s standard. But this is no good.

    (Okay, I’m turning off the grammarian for real now.)

    #956423

    theObvious
    Member

    I took the PSATslast year and got in like the 80 something percentile for both and then did not study a word for the SATs and took it in december… i got a 1400. (or 2000 if youre including writing). not that bad.

    #956424

    popa_bar_abba
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    I never took the SAT, because I didn’t wanna. But I took the PSAT.

    dachtzuch mir I got somewhere in the 1100’s. Not outstanding.

    So, if you take it and get better than 1100’s, you are clearly my intellectual superior, and I will dedicate one troll thread to you, if you request. (Limited to 2 requests total.)

    #956425

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Highest PSAT score is 240, dude. But I scored higher than you anyway. May I please have a troll thread about people who are obsessed with their standardized test scores? Or one about llamas. Thanks.

    #956426

    writersoul
    Member

    PBA- I don’t think you’re talking about the PSAT– there are only 3-digit scores (like a 176, for instance).

    #956427

    cinderella
    Member

    I took the SAT twice. I got a 2040 the first time and a 2160 the second. I don’t remember what I got on each part but that’s the total. I don’t remember what I got on my PSAT. I think I took it in my junior year of high school.

    #956428

    Logician
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    If I recall correctly, “SAT” is no longer an acronym, it now officially is just a word, because they are no longer able to sustain their claim that it really measures “scholastic aptitude”

    #956429

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    It is only scored in 3 digits? Well, I definitely took the PSAT. And I definitely did not take the SAT. And I have that number stuck in my head. I think it is 1130, but I can’t be sure.

    So if it really is 3 digits, then does it make sense I got 113? Is it out of 160? Must be that is what it is.

    One of many, I didn’t say you could choose the topic; only that it would be dedicated to you. I’ll try to think of something good, maybe about those topics.

    #956430

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Well, it used to be out of 1600 like the old SAT. They switched it to 240 when they introduced the Writing section to the PSAT. So it’s possible that you remembered correctly.

    #956431

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Well, I didn’t take a writing section, I don’t think. So that makes sense then.

    And since you didn’t get higher than 1130 if the high score is 240, I’m not so sure I owe you a troll thread.

    #956432

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    I never took the PSAT. My regular SAT scores are higher – you can compare those if you just take off the Writing score.

    #956433

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    hmmm. Does that count?

    Can we have a vote here on whether that counts for my deal?

    #956434

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Well, I don’t think anyone in this thread took the PSAT when it was out of 1600, so you’re going to have to adjust for it somehow.

    #956435

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    C’mon, you’re long overdue for a troll thread anyhow… 🙂

    #956436

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I am.

    #956437

    cinderella
    Member

    Hey, if you’re doing it by who got over 1100 on the SAT without the reading part, I get a troll thread too.

    Thanks in advance.

    #956438

    soliek
    Member

    NIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMSQUIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT!!!

    #956439

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    My father calls it the NMSQT. <– *helium voice* 😀

    #956440

    mamashtakah
    Member

    It’s hard to estimate for frum Jews since many don’t take the test.

    Obviously your definition of “frum” doesn’t include the MO, since thousands of them take the test. The Sunday tests are filled with them.

    #956441

    dvorak
    Member

    I took the SAT the last year before they changed it. Got 800 verbal and 750 math. My husband is a year older, so also took the old test, and he got the same score but reversed (his perfect score was in math). I don’t know about Jewish kids in general, but I suppose they curve out about the same as the general population. There’s an old urban legend that the frum kids get a harder test (the SAT is always on a Shabbos, so frum Jews and Seventh Day Adventists have to sign up for the alternate test on Sunday) but I don’t think that’s true.

    I also don’t think any schools teach to the test. It’s just that more affluent kids (as non-frum Jews tend to be) go to better schools in general and their parents can afford pricey test prep services.

    I actually worked for Kaplan Test Prep for a while- they invite anyone with high SAT scores to “audition” for a teaching job. I don’t work there anymore, but thanks to the training I got, I am known in my neighborhood for SAT tutoring- unlike other tutors, these are not a dime a dozen, so I always have work, and it makes for a nice bit of extra cash.

    #956442

    BTGuy
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    Hi writersoul.

    To answer your question, Jews who received a standardized education, traditionally do well. This is the case from those who go to public school or yeshivos that follow state requirements.

    While public schools do teach classes for the PSAT and SAT, they are not any real advantage nor are they are short cut to what is required to do well on the PSAT or SAT.

    The PSAT and SAT are not IQ tests, nor should they been seen as indicative of IQ tests or a reflection on if someone is a smart person or not.

    The PSAT and SAT are based on real material that the student should have covered in their classroom experience over the years.

    The questions are based on what should have been taught from teacher lesson plans from accredited schools who follow the guidelines of their state requirements.

    Just a note: Where there is a will, there is a way. I know MANY highly intelligent yeshiva students who simply have not had the proper exposure to Math, Science, History, and English.

    According to US News and World Report, over 60% of ALL those entering college, from all over the country, need to take remedial math, and/or English in order to develop their skills to succeed in their curriculum choice.

    PSAT and SAT are just one component used to help a school determine if a student has the necessary background to succeed in their course of study.

    If a yeshiva student is willing to work hard and catch up, like 60% of the other students in America, they will succeed!

    Hatzlacha to the person taking their PSAT/SAT.

    #956443

    My Totty is taller than yours…

    I did very well on the PSAT, SAT and almost perfect on the GRE. I practiced a lot before hand. There is no substitute for working hard! Anyone can learn these tests.

    #956444

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    I agree. To everyone going on about schools preparing you for the SAT – I don’t think that has any bearing. It’s testing the most basic scholastic skills. Nobody’s taking to the test and going, “OMG! I never learned any of this!” What makes it tricky (IMHO) is that

    a) it’s very long and the time constraints are tighter than usual, and

    b) the test writers have a knack for taking a very simple principle and constructing a very confusing problem out of it.

    The only way you can prepare for such a thing is with practice. Hone your speed, and get familiar with how they’re going to try to trick you. It’s not even that hard to get a very high score. You don’t have to smart – and smart people won’t necessarily do extremely well. What you need to do is practice, practice, practice.

    #956445

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Hey, pops, where are our troll threads?

    #956446

    BTGuy
    Participant

    OneOfMany touched on a good point.

    There are definitely test taking strategies based on the way they grade the test, which may have not changed.

    No one is expected to answer all questions. You are graded on a percentage of correct answers from the ones you choose to answer. Basically, if a question is really hanging you up and you have no clue on how to even eliminate answer choices, then move on to the next one. You would have been preserving your score to that point.

    Another thing to consider is some of the answers are obviously not the ones to select. However, your final two answer choices may be very similar and carefully constructed to be similar.

    From what I remember in high school, sometimes they recommend skimming the answers first and then reading the text (for the Reading portion), and save time when you realize you have found what they are looking for.

    You can also prepare ahead of time for the Essay portion of the test. On test day, it does not have to be your first/rought draft. You can think about what you may want to write about and then rewrite it to ensure you did not make careless mistakes.

    There are also sample PSAT/SAT’s you can find online or purchase in stores.

    Again, Hatzlacha!

    #956447

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    For the essay, it is VITAL to prepare several catch-all topics. Memorize some profound quotes from Einstein or somebody. Otherwise, you’ll freeze up on the real thing – it’s hard to construct a well-planned essay entirely within 20 minutes.

    #956448

    fkelly
    Member

    Popa- i got 204 on PSAT… Troll thread, please?!

    #956449

    writersoul
    Member

    Ohhhhh… I remember this thread!

    Interesting to come back to threads like this.

    I actually also did better than popa (even just CR+M) on both my second PSAT and my SAT, so I’ll join fkelly in reserving a troll thread :).

    Like I said, I’ve already taken my second PSAT and my (probably first) SAT- time flies. I’m taking my SAT2s on Sunday, actually.

    #956451

    fkelly
    Member

    Why are you taking 2 PSAT?? They dont count for anything!!

    I didnt do so well on SAT but I didnt study so I can’t complain! Hopefully will take again next year…

    #956452

    writersoul
    Member

    fkelly: first PSAT was practice, in 10th, and second was in 11th for NMSQT.

    #956453

    haifagirl
    Participant

    I don’t remember what I got on the PSAT. On the SAT I got 610 in English and 720 in math. I took the old, old test. (They changed the way the scored it sometime in the 1980s or 1990s.

    #956454

    writersoul
    Member

    Taking SAT IIs tomorrow!

    #956455

    fkelly
    Member

    I wouldve said good luck, but seems I’m a bit too late for that.. How was it?

    #956456

    writersoul
    Member

    Thanks anyway 🙂

    Not so bad- harder than I thought, but they curve, so I think I’m fine.

    #956457

    WIY
    Member

    Popa

    Thread about llamas please?

    #956458

    brotherofurs
    Participant

    i took SAT today too!! noone told me it was SO long!!!! i didnt do any practice, so i doubt i did well, but on my PSAT (i took in 10th grade) i checked online and wanted to compare what the 3 digit score is with regular SAT and it came up on the table as 1130 -popa same!

    it’s funny because people in my school hardly broke 1000 and everyone was telling me i did well, but when i got home to my parents it wasn’t exactly the same reaction…

    #956459

    writersoul
    Member

    brotherofurs: 🙂

    It’s annoying when that happens- I did well, but I do find that there are different standards at home and at school, or rather at the scholarship programs I want to get into and at school.

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