Pshat in the mishneh "Knei Lcha Chaver?"

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  • #608005
    WIY
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    If you have to buy him he isn’t really your friend and when you stop paying premiums the friendship lapses so whats pshat in knei lcha chover pay him for life?

    I really want to know pshat.

    #925719
    Chortkov
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    #925720
    Chortkov
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    The Pirush of R’ Ovadia MiBartenura says:

    ???? ?? ???. ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? : ??? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ????

    — Although a friend who is there for the money is not a friend, the ?????? ?????? says the reason that you need a friend is:

    I guess even if you pay him you can be ????? that.

    #925721
    WIY
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    Nobody?

    #925722
    Chortkov
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    Thanx!

    #925723
    oomis
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    The word “knei” also means to acquire, to make a kinyan. When a man marries a woman he makes a kinyan, he is acquiring a wife. She is not being sold to him (though I bet a wife or two has felt that way in the past…). So one should regard a good friend as he does an important and crucial acquisition in life.

    I had another thought as I was typing. Hopefully I have the spelling correct (if not I am sure someone will immediately inform me of same…). The word “kaneh” in Hebrew, means something upon which we lean, i.e. a cane (cognate if I ever heard one). Derech Agav, I believe Egypt is referred to in Navi as a “kaneh ratzutz (meaning an undependable ally, though appearing at first to be reliable).”

    A true friend is one upon whom we can lean, in times of tzoros. As I said, if its root is spelled the same way as “knei” with a koof and not a chof, then perhaps I have a little pshat of my own here.

    #925724
    Torah613Torah
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    I’ll pay you to be my friend.

    Maybe ????? ???? ???? ?????…

    so it may make them be friends with you even if they wouldn’t otherwise.

    #925725
    Chortkov
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    The word “knei” also means to acquire, to make a kinyan. When a man marries a woman he makes a kinyan, he is acquiring a wife. She is not being sold to him (though I bet a wife or two has felt that way in the past…). So one should regard a good friend as he does an important and crucial acquisition in life.

    Actually, it is a ?????? in the ??????? (throughout ???????, also on :????? ?) how far the ???? goes, and is there a monetary ownership that a man has in his wife.

    But you are right, that ??? does not mean necessarily to BUY, but means more accurately acquire.

    #925726
    R.T.
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    Kinyan actually means to acquire, not to buy/purchase. The ‘proof’, although not a proof is the situation that arises on Shabbos/Yom Tov where let’s say Reuven comes to Shimon’s house, and Shimon gives Reuven a shirt to wear back home, as Reuven’s first shirt is ruined from lunch (first shirt now has no value). Although we don’t initially make kinyanim on Shabbos, the acquisition is nevertheless valid.

    #925727
    Toi
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    for everything else, there’s mastercard.

    #925728
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Toi, that post was priceless.

    #925729
    rt
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    perhaps it’s lashon “kineh”(jealousy), find a chaver with qualities YOU (lcha) want to emulate

    #925730
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Rt,

    Kinah is with an Aleph (although it is possible they’re still related).

    #925731
    WIY
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    Toi

    True, friends always demand cash.

    #925732
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    How about Pay Pal?

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