February 14, 2011 1:26 am at 1:26 am #595009
I was wondering what everyone would suggest for a semi-sweet wine to be drunk on Purim?
aditionally, what do you get drunk on, on Purim (if you get drunk)February 14, 2011 1:54 am at 1:54 am #748894
Brrr. Please stop this thread. I’m absolutely terrified of drunks!! Can’t you be Besimcha without getting drunk? Besides, if the men drink, the women aren’t Besimcha:(February 14, 2011 1:58 am at 1:58 am #748895
Can’t you be Besimcha without getting drunk?
The gemara and shulchan aruch say to get drunk. Even if other shittos argue, I don’t think it’s proper to criticize something which is an established shitta in the gemara, rishonim, and acharonim.February 14, 2011 2:03 am at 2:03 am #748896
But, it also says that you can be yotzei if you take a nap. How ’bout doin’ THAT instead??February 14, 2011 2:05 am at 2:05 am #748897
But, it also says that you can be yotzei if you take a nap.
That is the other shittos. The shulchan aruch does not say that, and reading it in is absurd.
Besides, do the people who don’t drink actually take a nap? I think not.February 14, 2011 2:06 am at 2:06 am #748898
can someone suggest what pillow to use…
=DZ=February 14, 2011 2:12 am at 2:12 am #748899
So, can’t you be yotzei by just being happy?February 14, 2011 2:13 am at 2:13 am #748900
if you want you can post your own thread how people shouldn’t get drunk, not try to bash mine. I’m asking a legitamite question and I would like answers not bashes please!
sorry keep on forgetting to put a signature
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 2:18 am at 2:18 am #748901
So, can’t you be yotzei by just being happy?
No. Not according to anybody.February 14, 2011 2:19 am at 2:19 am #748902
So, can’t you be yotzei by just being happy?
the gemara in pesachim says “ein simcha (bizman hazeh) eleh b’yayin” only simcha nowadays is with wine
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #748903
It’s not about being happy, it’s about not being at a clear state of mind.
=DZ=February 14, 2011 2:28 am at 2:28 am #748904
that is also a good point!
not knowing the difference between arur haman and baruch mordechai has no connection to happiness
:p> mbachur <d:
please someone post winesFebruary 14, 2011 2:30 am at 2:30 am #748905
deiyezooger: are you happy when your not at a clear state of mind? Is your yishuv hadaas depressing or what?
mbachur: sorry. This is my last post in here Bli Neder (unless somebody argues with me;))February 14, 2011 2:32 am at 2:32 am #748906
Oh, mbachur. My father drinks a mixture of Concord Grape and Cream Niagra. Any help? Does that compensate for what I’ve done?February 14, 2011 2:38 am at 2:38 am #748907
thank you observateen hopefully not last post from anyone (excluding me though)
I really want to know good semi-sweet wines!
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 2:38 am at 2:38 am #748908
observanteen Again it’s not about being happy. And BTW when I sleep I don’t have a clear mind but it sure makes me happy.
=DZ=February 14, 2011 2:48 am at 2:48 am #748909
Oh, mbachur. My father drinks a mixture of Concord Grape and Cream Niagra.
I think those are sweet wines though (I want to get drunk not throw up)
Does that compensate for what I’ve done?
you didn’t do anything wrong, observateen, its a good topic to start and my wife totally agrees with you (and a lot of other wives i know) but we do it anyway and they concede in the end (I totally understand where you girls are coming from, and i wouldn’t want to be on the recieving end, and believe me if halcha didn’t say it I wouldn’t do it and hate it when bachurim get drunk at night or before the seudah b/c thenb theres no mitzvah to do it)
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 2:57 am at 2:57 am #748910lkwdfellowMember
I personally like beers & bourbons.February 14, 2011 3:02 am at 3:02 am #748911WolfishMusingsParticipant
I usually have far too much to do to get drunk on Purim. But a nice light wine is nice to have.
The Wolf (who has *never* been drunk in his life)February 14, 2011 3:23 am at 3:23 am #748912oomisParticipant
I love really,really cold Moscato di Asti. I think it’s Bartenura, but anything like that is my favorite type. I drink so rarely, that when I actually do take a glass of wine, i like it to be the semi-sweeet sparkly type.February 14, 2011 3:32 am at 3:32 am #748913
It is appropriate to just drink more than you would normally drink to feel the effect of the wine. Be sure that you and your wife are on the same page about this so that there are no hurt feelings or embarrassment. If you are not home for the seudah make sure you have a designated driver to get you and your family home if you plan on drinking more than usual. Also be sure you will not be making a fool of yourself, throw up, or do anything else your wife will be upset about. Also keep in mind what impression and example you are making on your children. Things have gotten way out of hand on Purim the past few years and many, many Rabbonim have become extremely stringent about NOT getting drunk on Purim.February 14, 2011 3:42 am at 3:42 am #748914
Popa- You are saying it is a mitzva to lose control, not daven, insult people, beat your wife and kids, damage people’s belongings, etc. JUST HOW IS THAT?????
Do I need to respond to this?February 14, 2011 3:44 am at 3:44 am #748915
thank you aries! (i hope you’re feeling better btw)
my wife is my designated driver
I do throw up, but i try to minimize it (which is the reason why i want a good semi sweet wine, because the sugar is what makes you throw up (I tried semi-dry last year and it tasted horrible, so bad i couldn’t drink it so therefore i didn’t even get high)
oh and my kid is 17 months (I don’t think i’ll be making an example of anything)
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 3:45 am at 3:45 am #748916
popa why can’t i see that post!
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 3:48 am at 3:48 am #748917
Popa, seriously now. WHAT’S GOTTEN INTO YOU?????!!!!February 14, 2011 3:48 am at 3:48 am #748918rtParticipant
as far as drinking, the mitzvah is ONLY with yayinFebruary 14, 2011 3:53 am at 3:53 am #748919FerdParticipant
@aries – your right about the throwing up issue….. I know you meant something totally opposite, so let me just inform you that there are teshuvos written about vomiting on Purim. Sounds hard to believe, but there are.
And please state the names of rabbonim who said NOT to get drunk on Purim.
Perhaps they said to drink wine, and not hard liquor (in fact that is what they said, unlike what you are saying).
And the one dais yochid rosh yeshiva who said people should not get drunk, have you ever been to his house on Purim? It seems he doesn’t really mind all that much…..February 14, 2011 3:56 am at 3:56 am #748920
as far as drinking, the mitzvah is ONLY with yayin
A. What is the source for that?
B. What is the difference? You think I can’t get drunk on wine?
Popa, seriously now. WHAT’S GOTTEN INTO YOU?????!!!!
I’m getting gold. You should get some; it’s good.
popa why can’t i see that post!
You should drink less; it’s not purim yet. I understand you are doing hachanos.February 14, 2011 3:57 am at 3:57 am #748921
as far as drinking, the mitzvah is ONLY with yayin
i feel the same way, yet there are poskim that mater whiskey (look in piskei tshuva)February 14, 2011 3:58 am at 3:58 am #748922ItcheSrulikMember
1- The mitzvah is only with wine
2- The mitzvah is only at the meal.
Several wines I like (I have simple tastes) are:
Baron Herzog black muscat
Bartenura Rosato (the best $6 bottle out there)
The first two go with everything. The last goes with everything but chicken.February 14, 2011 4:05 am at 4:05 am #748923rtParticipant
the makor why it should be yayin: the mishte was of yayin; the gemara connects Purim & Pesach, arba kosos are yayin so too seudas Purim! may we all be zoche to simchas PurimFebruary 14, 2011 4:07 am at 4:07 am #748924
You should drink less; it’s not purim yet. I understand you are doing hachanos.
mishenichnas adar marbim b’simcha
and as i stated above “Ein simcha eleh B’yayin” (though i don’t understand what you’re getting at)
Itche are any of them semi-sweet? (I seriously don’t know)
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 4:09 am at 4:09 am #748925
the makor why it should be yayin: the mishte was of yayin; the gemara connects Purim & Pesach, arba kosos are yayin so too seudas Purim! may we all be zoche to simchas Purim
that’s true and like I said that’s why i think that too, but there are chashuva mattirim (if you want i’ll post it tomorrow)
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 4:18 am at 4:18 am #748926yossi z.Member
The point is NOT to get drunk, the point is to loosen your inhibitions.
When my father drinks he says a mymer which he wrote himself. When I drink I lose my inhibitions of getting involved in torah discussions. I now reiterate that the point is NOT to get drunk in the sense of getting slammed/stoned/or whatever other synonymous term you would like to use. One is supposed to drink more than what they are used to, to the point that they will feel the effects of the wine, loosening inhibition but not to the point of total inebriation. People unfortunately have taken the extreme in getting drunk to the point that one is supposed to drink to oblivion and this is not proper at all. If one loses control (I have seen quite a few wives who left by the purim seuda in yeshivah with looks of fear in their eyes because they never now what will happen) in that he doesn’t know what he is doing then he has gone too far.
😀 Zuberman! 😀February 14, 2011 4:20 am at 4:20 am #748927
We have been through this last year. You can look it up. If you want to know which Rabbonim pasken on this, you can google it from YWN to Hatzolah. There is a lot of information on the subject.February 14, 2011 4:21 am at 4:21 am #748928
That is what some of the other shittos hold.February 14, 2011 4:26 am at 4:26 am #748929
We have been through this last year. You can look it up. If you want to know which Rabbonim pasken on this, you can google it from YWN to Hatzolah. There is a lot of information on the subject.
was this comment directed at me? i honestly don’t remember the conversation (i have a horrible memory)
Oh and yossi what about Rav slaughtering R Zeira?
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 4:44 am at 4:44 am #748930
No, it is a general comment for whomever wants to know.February 14, 2011 4:48 am at 4:48 am #748931yossi z.Member
There is a reason rav zeira wouldn’t go back the next year and it isn’t such a simple gemarrah and there is a lot of explanations and such going on there. Sorry even if it would be a proof it wouldn’t be usable.
Popa: name me at least three shitos within the shita that you should drink wine (which is what I am talking about) that say you should get totally slammed
😀 Zuberman! 😀February 14, 2011 4:55 am at 4:55 am #748932iyhbyuMember
I recommend a semi-dry (and dry is even better), if you are worried about throwing up. I like the “Selected” wines. And white is easier to get down than red. Trust me, I don’t like it either but after the first couple cups which you chase with some coke, the rest is much easier. Tizku L’mitzvos and Frielichen Purim!February 14, 2011 4:59 am at 4:59 am #748933
There is a reason rav zeira wouldn’t go back the next year
thats true yossi, it’s because Rava wold get drunk again
and it isn’t such a simple gemarrah and there is a lot of explanations and such going on there. Sorry even if it would be a proof it wouldn’t be usable.
the classic answer when something doesn’t fit a person’s views (It’s not so pashut)
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 5:11 am at 5:11 am #748934Ctrl Alt DelParticipant
I have never understood why this “mitzvah” inspires so many to be mekayem it so diligently. I have no doubt in my mind that if someone would piously recite tehillim for a choleh instead of drinking himself to oblivion , that ad meah v’esrim, hashem would not hold it against him. Its a foolish pursuit. And illegal for anyone under 21 (at least in NY/NJ) to be mekayaim. Its also illegal for anyone to give alcohol to someone who is under 21. Our shuls Rav makes that perfectly clear right after maariv purim night. I am a mandatory reporter and I have, and will continue in the future to report distribution of alcohol to those under 21. Even on purim.February 14, 2011 5:14 am at 5:14 am #748935
Thank you for the insight, i’ll keep it in mind (maybe i’ll try some beforehand for kiddush)
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 5:15 am at 5:15 am #748936canineMember
The law only prohibits the purchase of alcohol by those under 21. It doesn’t prohibit its consumption.
Furthermore, the law exempts religious purposes.February 14, 2011 5:17 am at 5:17 am #748937
I have never understood why this “mitzvah” inspires so many to be mekayem it so diligently
the gemara (i don’t remember where, maybe someone can help me out) says a mitzvah taken on b’simcha stays with yiddishkeit forever
:p> mbachur <d:February 14, 2011 5:24 am at 5:24 am #748938real-briskerMember
CAD – Who do you report to?February 14, 2011 5:35 am at 5:35 am #748939iyhbyuMember
@ctrl alt del-
Is it a bad thing for people to be mekayem a mitzvah dilegently?
As for your tehillim hypothesis, depending on what shitta, Nisht Pashut. Would you say that about someone who doesn’t hear the megillah and reads tehillim?
What do you mean by “mandatory reporter?” I don’t claim to know how Hashem will judge after 120 but I wouldn’t be so confident that you are doing the right thing by reporting people to the police. Not at all. Especially since dinah dmalchusa dinah may not mean that you have a chiyuv to follow the laws, rather that the government has a right to take taxes, fines etc.February 14, 2011 5:53 am at 5:53 am #748940canineMember
Mesira.February 14, 2011 5:56 am at 5:56 am #748941☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I have never understood why this “mitzvah” inspires so many to be mekayem it so diligently.
Then you don’t understand human nature.
I have no doubt in my mind that if someone would piously recite tehillim for a choleh instead of drinking himself to oblivion , that ad meah v’esrim, hashem would not hold it against him.
That’s only because you think it’s not a mitzvah. If it’s a mitzvah, then hashem will hold it against you if you don’t do it, even if you are doing another mitzvah.
Its a foolish pursuit. And illegal for anyone under 21 (at least in NY/NJ) to be mekayaim. Its also illegal for anyone to give alcohol to someone who is under 21.
In communist Russia, it was illegal to be mekayayaim the mitzvah of Bris Milah.
Our shuls Rav makes that perfectly clear right after maariv purim night.
There is no mitzvah to get drunk at night.
I am a mandatory reporter and I have, and will continue in the future to report distribution of alcohol to those under 21. Even on purim.
Do you know what the din of a moser is?
Lest anyone think that I am advocating young bochurim getting dangerously drunk, I am not. I am merely pointing out the weakness of these arguments.February 14, 2011 6:05 am at 6:05 am #748942Ctrl Alt DelParticipant
Canine, please read the law closely. If you buy it for someone who cant you have broken the law.”M”, I’m not sure what your getting at. Real, Iybyu has it right. You can report to the police and or social service agencies. I dont understand, have you not realized that drinking is a major problem in the jewish community on purim? And that it extends throughout the year too. Iyhbyu, a mandatory reporter means as follows. Anyone who is in the following professions MUST report distribution of alcohol to minor to the proper authorities. EMS, police, firefighter, physician, social work, nurse, psychologist, basically any licensed or certified “caretaker” must report certain things to the authorities when encountered. In our times, we should not be giving alcohol to those who should not be imbibing. Its that simple. Once again, why havent people latched on to mitzvahs that dont involve alteration of mental status. And anyway, I dont recall ad dilo yadah as being listed in azharot of anyone, its not part of the 613, why is there so much focus on this one almost insignificant mitzvah (if it can be called a mitzvah at all). It disturbs me how far people will go to defend this practice. Its not safe, its not legal, it should be stopped. i’m no prohibitionist but those under 21 should not drink. Period.
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