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  • #595009

    ☕️coffee addict
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    I was wondering what everyone would suggest for a semi-sweet wine to be drunk on Purim?

    aditionally, what do you get drunk on, on Purim (if you get drunk)

    #748894

    observanteen
    Member

    Brrr. Please stop this thread. I’m absolutely terrified of drunks!! Can’t you be Besimcha without getting drunk? Besides, if the men drink, the women aren’t Besimcha:(

    #748895

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Can’t you be Besimcha without getting drunk?

    The gemara and shulchan aruch say to get drunk. Even if other shittos argue, I don’t think it’s proper to criticize something which is an established shitta in the gemara, rishonim, and acharonim.

    #748896

    observanteen
    Member

    But, it also says that you can be yotzei if you take a nap. How ’bout doin’ THAT instead??

    #748897

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    But, it also says that you can be yotzei if you take a nap.

    That is the other shittos. The shulchan aruch does not say that, and reading it in is absurd.

    Besides, do the people who don’t drink actually take a nap? I think not.

    #748898

    deiyezooger
    Member

    can someone suggest what pillow to use…

    =DZ=

    #748899

    observanteen
    Member

    So, can’t you be yotzei by just being happy?

    #748900

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    observateen,

    if you want you can post your own thread how people shouldn’t get drunk, not try to bash mine. I’m asking a legitamite question and I would like answers not bashes please!

    thank you!

    sorry keep on forgetting to put a signature

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748901

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    So, can’t you be yotzei by just being happy?

    No. Not according to anybody.

    #748902

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    So, can’t you be yotzei by just being happy?

    the gemara in pesachim says “ein simcha (bizman hazeh) eleh b’yayin” only simcha nowadays is with wine

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748903

    deiyezooger
    Member

    It’s not about being happy, it’s about not being at a clear state of mind.

    =DZ=

    #748904

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    that is also a good point!

    not knowing the difference between arur haman and baruch mordechai has no connection to happiness

    :p> mbachur <d:

    please someone post wines

    #748905

    observanteen
    Member

    deiyezooger: are you happy when your not at a clear state of mind? Is your yishuv hadaas depressing or what?

    mbachur: sorry. This is my last post in here Bli Neder (unless somebody argues with me;))

    #748906

    observanteen
    Member

    Oh, mbachur. My father drinks a mixture of Concord Grape and Cream Niagra. Any help? Does that compensate for what I’ve done?

    #748907

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    thank you observateen hopefully not last post from anyone (excluding me though)

    I really want to know good semi-sweet wines!

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748908

    deiyezooger
    Member

    observanteen Again it’s not about being happy. And BTW when I sleep I don’t have a clear mind but it sure makes me happy.

    =DZ=

    #748909

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Oh, mbachur. My father drinks a mixture of Concord Grape and Cream Niagra.

    I think those are sweet wines though (I want to get drunk not throw up)

    Does that compensate for what I’ve done?

    you didn’t do anything wrong, observateen, its a good topic to start and my wife totally agrees with you (and a lot of other wives i know) but we do it anyway and they concede in the end (I totally understand where you girls are coming from, and i wouldn’t want to be on the recieving end, and believe me if halcha didn’t say it I wouldn’t do it and hate it when bachurim get drunk at night or before the seudah b/c thenb theres no mitzvah to do it)

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748910

    lkwdfellow
    Member

    I personally like beers & bourbons.

    #748911

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I usually have far too much to do to get drunk on Purim. But a nice light wine is nice to have.

    The Wolf (who has *never* been drunk in his life)

    #748912

    oomis
    Participant

    I love really,really cold Moscato di Asti. I think it’s Bartenura, but anything like that is my favorite type. I drink so rarely, that when I actually do take a glass of wine, i like it to be the semi-sweeet sparkly type.

    #748913

    aries2756
    Participant

    It is appropriate to just drink more than you would normally drink to feel the effect of the wine. Be sure that you and your wife are on the same page about this so that there are no hurt feelings or embarrassment. If you are not home for the seudah make sure you have a designated driver to get you and your family home if you plan on drinking more than usual. Also be sure you will not be making a fool of yourself, throw up, or do anything else your wife will be upset about. Also keep in mind what impression and example you are making on your children. Things have gotten way out of hand on Purim the past few years and many, many Rabbonim have become extremely stringent about NOT getting drunk on Purim.

    #748914

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Popa- You are saying it is a mitzva to lose control, not daven, insult people, beat your wife and kids, damage people’s belongings, etc. JUST HOW IS THAT?????

    Do I need to respond to this?

    #748915

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    thank you aries! (i hope you’re feeling better btw)

    my wife is my designated driver

    I do throw up, but i try to minimize it (which is the reason why i want a good semi sweet wine, because the sugar is what makes you throw up (I tried semi-dry last year and it tasted horrible, so bad i couldn’t drink it so therefore i didn’t even get high)

    oh and my kid is 17 months (I don’t think i’ll be making an example of anything)

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748916

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    popa why can’t i see that post!

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748917

    observanteen
    Member

    Popa, seriously now. WHAT’S GOTTEN INTO YOU?????!!!!

    #748918

    rt
    Participant

    as far as drinking, the mitzvah is ONLY with yayin

    #748919

    Ferd
    Participant

    @aries – your right about the throwing up issue….. I know you meant something totally opposite, so let me just inform you that there are teshuvos written about vomiting on Purim. Sounds hard to believe, but there are.

    And please state the names of rabbonim who said NOT to get drunk on Purim.

    Perhaps they said to drink wine, and not hard liquor (in fact that is what they said, unlike what you are saying).

    And the one dais yochid rosh yeshiva who said people should not get drunk, have you ever been to his house on Purim? It seems he doesn’t really mind all that much…..

    #748920

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    as far as drinking, the mitzvah is ONLY with yayin

    A. What is the source for that?

    B. What is the difference? You think I can’t get drunk on wine?

    Popa, seriously now. WHAT’S GOTTEN INTO YOU?????!!!!

    I’m getting gold. You should get some; it’s good.

    popa why can’t i see that post!

    You should drink less; it’s not purim yet. I understand you are doing hachanos.

    #748921

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    as far as drinking, the mitzvah is ONLY with yayin

    i feel the same way, yet there are poskim that mater whiskey (look in piskei tshuva)

    #748922

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    1- The mitzvah is only with wine

    2- The mitzvah is only at the meal.

    Several wines I like (I have simple tastes) are:

    Baron Herzog black muscat

    Bartenura Rosato (the best $6 bottle out there)

    Rashi Claret.

    The first two go with everything. The last goes with everything but chicken.

    #748923

    rt
    Participant

    the makor why it should be yayin: the mishte was of yayin; the gemara connects Purim & Pesach, arba kosos are yayin so too seudas Purim! may we all be zoche to simchas Purim

    #748924

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    You should drink less; it’s not purim yet. I understand you are doing hachanos.

    mishenichnas adar marbim b’simcha

    and as i stated above “Ein simcha eleh B’yayin” (though i don’t understand what you’re getting at)

    Itche are any of them semi-sweet? (I seriously don’t know)

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748925

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    the makor why it should be yayin: the mishte was of yayin; the gemara connects Purim & Pesach, arba kosos are yayin so too seudas Purim! may we all be zoche to simchas Purim

    that’s true and like I said that’s why i think that too, but there are chashuva mattirim (if you want i’ll post it tomorrow)

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748926

    yossi z.
    Member

    The point is NOT to get drunk, the point is to loosen your inhibitions.

    When my father drinks he says a mymer which he wrote himself. When I drink I lose my inhibitions of getting involved in torah discussions. I now reiterate that the point is NOT to get drunk in the sense of getting slammed/stoned/or whatever other synonymous term you would like to use. One is supposed to drink more than what they are used to, to the point that they will feel the effects of the wine, loosening inhibition but not to the point of total inebriation. People unfortunately have taken the extreme in getting drunk to the point that one is supposed to drink to oblivion and this is not proper at all. If one loses control (I have seen quite a few wives who left by the purim seuda in yeshivah with looks of fear in their eyes because they never now what will happen) in that he doesn’t know what he is doing then he has gone too far.

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #748927

    aries2756
    Participant

    We have been through this last year. You can look it up. If you want to know which Rabbonim pasken on this, you can google it from YWN to Hatzolah. There is a lot of information on the subject.

    #748928

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Yossiz:

    That is what some of the other shittos hold.

    #748929

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    We have been through this last year. You can look it up. If you want to know which Rabbonim pasken on this, you can google it from YWN to Hatzolah. There is a lot of information on the subject.

    was this comment directed at me? i honestly don’t remember the conversation (i have a horrible memory)

    Oh and yossi what about Rav slaughtering R Zeira?

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748930

    aries2756
    Participant

    No, it is a general comment for whomever wants to know.

    #748931

    yossi z.
    Member

    There is a reason rav zeira wouldn’t go back the next year and it isn’t such a simple gemarrah and there is a lot of explanations and such going on there. Sorry even if it would be a proof it wouldn’t be usable.

    Popa: name me at least three shitos within the shita that you should drink wine (which is what I am talking about) that say you should get totally slammed

    😀 Zuberman! 😀

    #748932

    iyhbyu
    Member

    @mbachur-

    I recommend a semi-dry (and dry is even better), if you are worried about throwing up. I like the “Selected” wines. And white is easier to get down than red. Trust me, I don’t like it either but after the first couple cups which you chase with some coke, the rest is much easier. Tizku L’mitzvos and Frielichen Purim!

    #748933

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    There is a reason rav zeira wouldn’t go back the next year

    thats true yossi, it’s because Rava wold get drunk again

    and it isn’t such a simple gemarrah and there is a lot of explanations and such going on there. Sorry even if it would be a proof it wouldn’t be usable.

    the classic answer when something doesn’t fit a person’s views (It’s not so pashut)

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748934

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    I have never understood why this “mitzvah” inspires so many to be mekayem it so diligently. I have no doubt in my mind that if someone would piously recite tehillim for a choleh instead of drinking himself to oblivion , that ad meah v’esrim, hashem would not hold it against him. Its a foolish pursuit. And illegal for anyone under 21 (at least in NY/NJ) to be mekayaim. Its also illegal for anyone to give alcohol to someone who is under 21. Our shuls Rav makes that perfectly clear right after maariv purim night. I am a mandatory reporter and I have, and will continue in the future to report distribution of alcohol to those under 21. Even on purim.

    #748935

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Thank you for the insight, i’ll keep it in mind (maybe i’ll try some beforehand for kiddush)

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748936

    canine
    Member

    The law only prohibits the purchase of alcohol by those under 21. It doesn’t prohibit its consumption.

    Furthermore, the law exempts religious purposes.

    #748937

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    I have never understood why this “mitzvah” inspires so many to be mekayem it so diligently

    the gemara (i don’t remember where, maybe someone can help me out) says a mitzvah taken on b’simcha stays with yiddishkeit forever

    :p> mbachur <d:

    #748938

    real-brisker
    Member

    CAD – Who do you report to?

    #748939

    iyhbyu
    Member

    @ctrl alt del-

    Is it a bad thing for people to be mekayem a mitzvah dilegently?

    As for your tehillim hypothesis, depending on what shitta, Nisht Pashut. Would you say that about someone who doesn’t hear the megillah and reads tehillim?

    What do you mean by “mandatory reporter?” I don’t claim to know how Hashem will judge after 120 but I wouldn’t be so confident that you are doing the right thing by reporting people to the police. Not at all. Especially since dinah dmalchusa dinah may not mean that you have a chiyuv to follow the laws, rather that the government has a right to take taxes, fines etc.

    #748940

    canine
    Member

    Mesira.

    #748941

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I have never understood why this “mitzvah” inspires so many to be mekayem it so diligently.

    Then you don’t understand human nature.

    I have no doubt in my mind that if someone would piously recite tehillim for a choleh instead of drinking himself to oblivion , that ad meah v’esrim, hashem would not hold it against him.

    That’s only because you think it’s not a mitzvah. If it’s a mitzvah, then hashem will hold it against you if you don’t do it, even if you are doing another mitzvah.

    Its a foolish pursuit. And illegal for anyone under 21 (at least in NY/NJ) to be mekayaim. Its also illegal for anyone to give alcohol to someone who is under 21.

    In communist Russia, it was illegal to be mekayayaim the mitzvah of Bris Milah.

    Our shuls Rav makes that perfectly clear right after maariv purim night.

    There is no mitzvah to get drunk at night.

    I am a mandatory reporter and I have, and will continue in the future to report distribution of alcohol to those under 21. Even on purim.

    Do you know what the din of a moser is?

    Lest anyone think that I am advocating young bochurim getting dangerously drunk, I am not. I am merely pointing out the weakness of these arguments.

    #748942

    Ctrl Alt Del
    Participant

    Canine, please read the law closely. If you buy it for someone who cant you have broken the law.”M”, I’m not sure what your getting at. Real, Iybyu has it right. You can report to the police and or social service agencies. I dont understand, have you not realized that drinking is a major problem in the jewish community on purim? And that it extends throughout the year too. Iyhbyu, a mandatory reporter means as follows. Anyone who is in the following professions MUST report distribution of alcohol to minor to the proper authorities. EMS, police, firefighter, physician, social work, nurse, psychologist, basically any licensed or certified “caretaker” must report certain things to the authorities when encountered. In our times, we should not be giving alcohol to those who should not be imbibing. Its that simple. Once again, why havent people latched on to mitzvahs that dont involve alteration of mental status. And anyway, I dont recall ad dilo yadah as being listed in azharot of anyone, its not part of the 613, why is there so much focus on this one almost insignificant mitzvah (if it can be called a mitzvah at all). It disturbs me how far people will go to defend this practice. Its not safe, its not legal, it should be stopped. i’m no prohibitionist but those under 21 should not drink. Period.

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