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what does the name Yoshka mean?
Jesus
Jesus
What does “pundrik” mean?
It’s a Yiddish nickname, like Miritchka for Miriam or Shmelke for Shmuel. Yoshke is for Yeshu or Yeshua; Jesus’s Hebrew name.
I believe that’s his Hebrew name.
ohr, it means Ben Pondira.
Who was Pondira?
He Who Must Not Be Named.
I recently heard from someone that Chazal of his time refered to him as “YaiShu” for the roshei teivos od “Yimach Shimo V’Zichro”.
They were so successful in their campaign that NOONE knows his real name just Yaishu or the English variation of it!
Pondira was the man who fathered him. Miriam’s husband was away at the time.
We call him by his fathers name, to remind all that he did have a father.
OneOfMany – Thanks but no, we are not the same person.
Heh heh, couldn’t resist. ^_^
I think that calling him yoshkeh lends a level of chashivus to his name, that should not be given. We do not say HASHEM’S name. Jesus was not a Divinity, and his name should be treated accordingly.
Zaidy: It could be that was a Remez, but Yeishu is also short for Yeshua, which was most likely his real name. Also, the Gemara refers to him as Oso Ha’ish (maybe, this is all not so cleay) and not as Yeshu (though whether that’s the original or a self-censored version we can’t say). I think, though, the earliest Jewish references to him as Yeishu are from the Geonim/Rishonim, well after the name “Jesus” was well known.
Sam2, why’d you say that? We find often in Gemara statements about Talmidei Yeishu Hanotzri. I would say the other way around — calling him Oyso Ha’ish started later, when we had to start avoiding the censors.
Oomis, the Halacha is that we are not supposed to mention the name of an Avoda Zara, Lo Yishoma Al Picha. That is what we are doing by not mentioning his name. If you may not eat something it can be because it is Kodshim or Tamei. Same here.
HaLeiVi: Really? You can find me a Gemara that talks about Talmidei Yeishu Hanotzri? Rishonim, for sure. If you have a Gemara that says it please show it to me. I’d love to see it.
There yakov Talmud yeshu. I cannot recall exactly where it is. He says an Halacha the Gemara paskens like him, however it’s only because of a different sevara.
I can look it up at night.
the Halacha is that we are not supposed to mention the name of an Avoda Zara, Lo Yishoma Al Picha. That is what we are doing by not mentioning his name.
The halacha does not apply to Jesus.
I did not think he was considered an A”Z. Christianity per se is not A”Z. Catholicism, might be, as they worship a trinity. Is all Christianity under the umbrella of A”Z? And if we call him by another name, then that has become his name, as far as we are concerned. We do pronounce the names of various idols that were worshipped, when reading of them in Tanach, so where does this halacha come into application?
Yitay: I was told that the Rambam in the Moreh says that the names Jesus and Mohammed are Assur to say, but I couldn’t find where.
The Noda B’Yehuda says that shituf is avoda zora.
Sam – I find that hard to believe.
Oomis, a name written in Tanach we are allowed to say.
“Miriam’s husband was away at the time”
J****h?
oomis: “Christianity per se is not A”Z. Catholicism, might be, as they worship a trinity”
that is largely a misconception. Most Protestants are also Triniatrian.
Sam2 is correct. Having done a Bar Ilan search for ??? ?????? in all bavli, yerushalmi and midrash – I found the term mentioned once in the standard edition of vilna shas (??????? ?? ??). There are 2 more times he is mentioned (using that name, ???? ???? is mentioned 9 other times) in the per-censored edition (????? ?? ?? & ??????? ?? ??).
Rashi and the Ritva, however, do mention ?????? ??? ?????? a few times.
AZ 17A.
Yakov Min’ah, Talmid Yeshu has been removed.
The Yavetz uses this gemara to verify in which time period Yushke lived.
Tosfos discusses if all Yakov Min’as are this same person or not.
When I checked the Gemara in Chulin that brings Yakov Min’ah (I cannot recall the exact daf now) He challenges Rava with a question, to which Rava responds “For [People like] you the Passuk says..” I think that the way Rava answered him sits well if this Yakov Min’ah is the same one as in AZ (which was Yeshu Hanotzri’s talmud).
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