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Reading your posts lately, I have come across a conflict that I would like you to resolve.
In the many threads about abuse and cover ups, you have made it clear that you believe that people should not act based on their own perception of the best course of action, but should rather be subservient to their rabbonim. Not only that, but when one sees a rav doing what the individual believes to be correct, it would be inappropriate to praise the rav and contrast it with what other rabbonim have done because that would be akin to a child praising one parent for giving more candy.
Can you please clarify your position as to when one needs to be subservient to daas Torah and when one should use their own sense of right and wrong.
Thank You
I didn’t see either thread, nor do I know who’s involved here, but, to try to answer your question, I would say that when Daas Torah (or anyone) does something wrong then you are not supposed to follow nor condone that.
So I fail to see how you juxtapose his criticizing this organization for doing something wrong to either of the other points. If anyone does something that is clearly forbidden then they are not to be condoned. Which would explain why he criticized them, if you say he did.
Why should it then follow that Daas Torah is not any more reliable in any and every other case?
So this question has two premises which I do not concur in.
Premise A. Oorah is run by people whom I consider rabbonim of mine that I need to be mevatel daas to.
Premise B. That I have not discussed this with any of my rabbonim.
Like it says in Atlas Shrugged: There are no contradictions. When you see an apparent contradiction, check your premises.
Look, I think some of the things they do is a bit odd at best. I don’t think it passuls the whole organization. I definitely don’t think it is a good idea to go forward with a conversation about what they do. I do think they should have some frank discussions with their rabbinic advisers, and perhaps introduce a certain NY Post article and this video as exhibits.
I don’t know that any rav approves what they do.
No.
Or if it is, it certainly is not relevant to whether I trust gedolim or not.
Rav Chaim Mintz is the Founder, Director, Spiritual Leader and Advisor of Oorah according to their website, on oorah.org
Does everything they do have his haskama, I have no idea. However, you can easily reach out to him and ask him.
sof davar: The people who criticize are usually specifically criticizing the gedolim, to whom they impute all sorts of things. These issues aren’t remotely related.
If I found out that they were asking appropriate rabbonim, then I couldn’t criticize their decision, because I can’t ask more of them than to ask appropriate rabbonim.
I would still think it is not my hashkafa to do what they do.
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