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I listened to a long form interview with Rabbi Ahron Cohen (Neturei Karta spokesperson) from Manchester, UK.
such a nice sweet yid.I thought I would share his wise words.
Rabbi Cohen has been actively involved in promoting the anti-Zionist perspective for many years. He has traveled to various countries, including Iran and Lebanon, to express solidarity with those who oppose Zionism.
He has spoken at numerous venues, including universities, to clarify the distinction between Judaism and Zionism. His goal in these activities is to create a “Kiddush Hashem” (sanctification of God’s name) by showing that authentic Judaism is not represented by Zionism.
In essence, Rabbi Cohen’s message to a traditional Torah-observant audience is that Zionism is a modern, secular movement that contradicts the foundational principles of Jewish faith, particularly the belief in a divinely-ordained exile that can only be ended by the Messiah.
Indeed Secualar Zionism is a modern, secular movement that contradicts the foundational principles of Jewish faith. However, the the belief in a divinely-ordained exile that can only be ended by the Messiah contradicts many foundational principles of Jewish faith no less.
Two wrongs don’t make a right.
somefool,
This traitorous Kapo and his quisling buddies took part in the 2006 Holocaust Denial Conference in Tehran and the 2011 “Anti Terrorism” Conference held there on Shabbos. Hopefully, the next time they visit Iran they’ll get a free crane ride so please do join them!
Duvidf:
Please immediately consult a competent LOR.As Rav Elchonon Wasserman and others wrote, “Religious Zionism” is simply religion biShituf with that same idolatry of Zionism.
And the belief in a divinely-ordained exile that can only be ended by the Messiah is in fact a core foundational principle of Judaism.Dofi (what a name):
You don’t mention the reason they joined that conference: to make the point clear that Jews are not to be held responsible for anything the Zionists do or don’t do.micro (what a name),
They may call you that in the mikvah but it’s not a compliment.
Sure, if the only god you have is anti-Zionism then of course you should attend a conference denying the Holocaust organized by monsters who literally want to commit one themselves. The rest of us are actually Jews, so you and your NK buddies can all go ride on a crane.
somejew –
1. Do you get payed or otherwise compensated by the site owners to generate “clickbait”?
2. What were you מחדש with this “new” thread that hasn’t been beaten to death in the dozens of other threads on this same subject?
3. What is the נפקא מינה now, after the State was already founded 77 years ago, when millions of Yidden, many of whom couldn’t care less about “Zionism” now live there?
4. The Iranian cholerias your Imam likes to hang out with shot ballistic missiles with 1100 pound warheads at my town, visible and audible from my window, among other not nice things they like to do. Do you or the psychopath Imam you fawn over seriously believe they would be OK with the millions of Yidden in Eretz Yisroel if חס ושלום they got what they want ר״ל?
David – “However, the belief in a divinely-ordained exile that can only be ended by the Messiah contradicts many foundational principles of Jewish faith no less.”
Isn’t that one of the 13 Ikkarim of the Rambam? Don’t we say ומפני חטאנו גלינו מארצנו? Who in your opinion ordained that? What “foundational principles” does that contradict?
By the way, even according to the most extreme interpretation of the concept of Galus (Satmar approach to שלש שבועות etc., which is not necessary implied by the looser wording “Divinely ordained exile”), there is no issur to live in Eretz Yisroel before Moshiach comes. (If that is what you meant?)
HaKatan – “You don’t mention the reason they joined that conference: to make the point clear that Jews are not to be held responsible for anything the Zionists do or don’t do.”
The “point” that the big kinderlach joined that conference is the same “point” the little kinderlach make by throwing paper planes in class etc. – getting negative attention. It’s the same point as the kinderlach on this site who start new pyromaniac threads every other day knowing and almost begging that everyone else will jump on them and screed at them – craving for ATTENTION.
How about this “innocent” and “sincere” line:
“such a nice sweet yid.”
“I thought I would share his wise words.”
Knowing full well that other than three like-minded trolls EVERYONE here is likely to be upset by the Imam’s “wise words”. This is called “waving a red flag at the bull”. This type of provocative behavior is typical of kinderlach who crave attention and seek it in negative ways, including big kinderlach who never grew up.
None of this has anything to do with Zionism, which I am no fan of to put it mildly. This is about “antisocial personality disorder with elements of histrionic comorbidity”. Google it or ask a psychiatrist to explain it to you…
Indeed Secular Zionism is a modern, secular movement that contradicts the foundational principles of Jewish faith.
And Religious Zionism is a misguided movement too , contradicting other principles of Jewish faith.
However, the belief in advocating for the destruction of the medina which practically al pi derech hateva is the only barrier stopping mass pikuach nefesh october 7 style [chvsh] , contradicts many principles of Jewish faith no less.
Three wrongs don’t make a right.
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.am not judging the ‘sweetness’ of dovid cohen’s personality
like am not judging the ‘sweetness’ of rav kuk’s personality
both of which are totally irrelevant
what matters is the ideas they promote
and like you will totally agree with me re rav kuk , that no matter how ‘sweet’ he might personally appear
nevertheless his views and actions are total anathema
you will understand that 99% of the people reading your lines
feel exactly the same way about dovid cohens actions and views ….
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.Satmar/N.K.’s constant slinging around of the term “Zionist” is just a ploy to conceal the root issue underlying the conflict.
Obviously secular Zionism conflicts with the Torah, it represents an anti-Torah Reform movement.
But the notion of a “divinely-ordained exile” from Eretz Yisrael is pure Reform-adoxy.
The greatest rabbis all ruled that there is a continuing mitzvah of “yishuv Eretz Yisrael”.
“Zionism” is a straw man used by both the Satmar/NKs and their anti-Semitic Muslim allies to conceal their war against the Torah.
“שהכל מעלין לא”י ואין הכל מוציאין משם הכל מעלין לירושלים ואין הכל מוציאין
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Anyone may initiate ascent to Eretz Yisrael, and no one may compel departure; anyone may initiate ascent to Jerusalem, and no one may compel departure.
(Shulchan Aruch, Evan HaEzer 75:4)YB:
His view that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do or don’t do is indeed a very important one.WrongJew:
Please consult ASAP with a competent LOR, as you hold views that are in direct conflict to the core tenets of Judaism.HaKatan said:
“As Rav Elchonon Wasserman and others wrote,
Religious Zionism is simply religion biShituf
with that same idolatry of Zionism.”
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MY RESPONSE:Someone please tell us:
In what year of the Common Era did he write that statement,
which has been overwhelmingly rejected by the vast majority
of Orthodox Jews and Orthodox Rabbis?Was it before 1967 CE? (the Six-Day War)
Was it before 1948 CE? (Israel’s establishment by the United Nations)
Was it before 1945 CE? (end of The Holocaust)I thank you in advance for your answer.
RightJew said this on 2025 November 19 at 10:05 am:
“Zionism” is a Straw Man used by both the Satmar / NKs [Neturei Karta]
and their anti-Semitic Muslim allies to conceal their war against the Torah.__________________________________________
MY RESPONSE:Thank you for speaking THE TRUTH that we all need to hear!
Yankel Berel said this on 2025 November 19 at 10:05 am:
“However, the belief in advocating for the destruction of the medina
[the State of Israel] which practically Al Pi Derech HaTeva
is the ONLY barrier stopping mass Pikuach Nefesh
[2023] October 7 style [Chas VeShalom],
contradicts many principles of Jewish faith no less.”__________________________________________
MY RESPONSE:Thank you for speaking THE TRUTH that we all need to hear!
SomeJewIKnow said:
“Rabbi [Ahron] Cohen [a Neturei Karta spokesperson] has been
actively involved in promoting the anti-Zionist perspective for many years.He has traveled to various countries, including Iran and Lebanon,
to express solidarity with those who oppose Zionism.”__________________________________________
MY RESPONSE:I once learned that if a Jew speaks negatively about another Jew,
and ONLY Jews are listening, then this is Lashon HaRa.But if a Jew speaks negatively about other Jews,
and non-Jews are also listening,
then that is also CHILLUL HASHEM,
because non-Jews are listening.If I really wanted to, I could probably find the source for that.
But 3 years in this YWN Coffee Room have proven many times,
that it would not help anyway,
so I will not make the effort to find that source.This is important, because when Rabbi Ahron Cohen
speaks to “various countries” about the evils of “The Zionists”,
that is both Lashon HaRa, and also CHILLUL HASHEM,
because non-Jews are listening.Last but not least, Rabbi Ahron Cohen’s “solidarity with
those who oppose Zionism” is really solidarity with
terrorist murderers who have already murdered
Jewish children and babies, and work every day to achieve
their ultimate goal of committing GENOCIDE against 100% of Jews,
thereby making the entire Planet Earth both Judenfrei and Judenrein.SQUARE_ROOT
He published that in his Kovetz Maamarim, obviously before he was murdered in the Holocaust, not that it matters precisely when he published it.
And that was universally accepted because it is the simple truth.A few decades later, in the holy land, the Brisker Rav published – and the Gerrer Rebbe and all the others signed on – that “Religious Zionist” education is a “sea of heresy mixed in with a drop of Torah”. This is arguably even more severe than Rav Elchonon’s statement.
According to the Torah, “Religious Zionism” is idolatry and heresy. Period.
SQUARE_ROOT:
“This is important, because when Rabbi Ahron Cohen speaks to “various countries” about the evils of “The Zionists”, that is both Lashon HaRa, and also CHILLUL HASHEM, because non-Jews are listening.”As usual, Zionists have it totally backwards. Heretics, including the Zionists about whom he is speaking, are obviously not biChlal amisecha, so the halachos of L”H do not apply to them. In addition, it is a great Kiddush Hashem to inform the gentiles that Jews are represented by only the Torah and its sages and not by Nationalist heretics.
Can you please stop polluting these boards with “Religious Zionist” nonsense?
“antisocial personality disorder with elements of histrionic comorbidity”
Sounds about right.
Or he’s just a troll and we keep feeding him for no good reason.
katan to YB:
His [cohen’s] view that Jews are not responsible for anything the Zionists do or don’t do is indeed a very important one.—-
katan is sidestepping .
everyone says and everyone knows that Jews overall are not responsible for anything the Z do or don’t do.
that was not the issue re cohen at all !
the issue without sidestepping ! is the following , which is unforgivable :
it is ‘sweet’ cohen’s support of those who literally employ all means, including october 7 barbarities ! to murder our innocent brothers and sisters in EY
it does not make any difference how they sugarcoat this monstrosity
they support those murderers , they support those who threaten to repeat october 7 again and again
until all of our brothers and sisters are driven into the sea chvsh
when hitler threatened to murder all jews most people did not believe him either
husseini , this hero of ‘sweet’ cohens friends , visited aushwitz in 1944 in support of the good work done there …
frum inmates still remembered the guy with the funny hat , who was went by the funny name – ‘mufti’ ….
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.the secretary general of the arab league in 1947 stated that if the state of israel is proclaimed ,
the massacres of djengis khan will pale in comparison to what is going to happen in EY [chvsh again] …
multiply october 7 by a thousand, as planned and promised by ‘sweet’ cohens friends … [chvsh again]
and you will have the honored [and probably equally ‘sweet’] secretary’s prophesy actualized [chvsh again] according to the wishes of this ‘funny hat’ guy …
october 7 serves as a good reminder as to what the friends of our ‘sweet’ cohen are really up to ….
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.as was the twelve day war in EY when ‘sweet’ cohens other friends
lobbed busses full of explosives at breakneck speed at our innocent brothers and sisters in EY ..
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.how ‘sweet’ …..
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@yankel-berel
“everyone says and everyone knows that Jews overall are not responsible for anything the Z do or don’t do. ”Maybe you could tell that to all the reshaim who have hurt Jews throughout the world every time the Zionists engaged in one of their forever wars, including the past two years since the savages made over a hundred breaches in their billion dollar wall and murdered and hurt hundreds of Jews there.
@yankel-berel:
“the secretary general of the arab league in 1947 stated that if the state of israel is proclaimed , the massacres of djengis khan will pale in comparison to what is going to happen in EY [chvsh again] …”Yet the Zionists, claiming they had a 50/50 chance of winning the war, chose to go against the UN which wanted to start a new mandate and instead chose to flip the coin and go to war, regardless of the cost in Jewish blood. Because in the Zionist faith, Zionism is above all else.
Katan> [REW] And that was universally accepted because it is the simple truth.
it is not a problem that you are respecting REW &Brisker shitah, but it is a problem that you are rejecting other opinions. We just discussed that REW’s teacher Chofetz Chaim did not seem to publish against same groups that REW did. Why don’t you follow Chofetz Chaim and write about some of the topics that were dear to him?
HaKatan said this on 2025 November 18 at 4:36 pm:
“And the belief in a divinely-ordained exile
that can only be ended by the Messiah, is in fact,
a core foundational principle of Judaism.”
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MY RESPONSE:Congratulations!
You just created a FALSE Ikar Emunah!
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PS: What Rabbi Elchonon Wasserman said about
Secular Zionism 100 years ago is NO LONGER RELEVANT,
because it was said 100 years ago.And your favorite Rabbis are *** WRONG *** about Religious Zionism.
__________________________________________Ramchal Maamar Hageula: ״וכדרך שֶׁהָיְתָה הַגָּלוּת, כָּךְ תִּהְיֶה הַגְּאֻלָּה. שֶׁהַגָּלוּת הָיְתָה תְּחִלָּה בַּפְּנִימִיּוּת וְאַחַר־כָּךְ בַּחוּצָה, וְכֵן הַגְּאֻלָּה תִּהְיֶה תְּחִלָּה בַּחוּצָה וְאַחַר כָּךְ בַּפְּנִימִיּוּת.”
another quote from Maamar HaGeulah describing the order of redemption
“ותחילת הגאולה היא התעוררות החיצוניות, שהוא קיבוץ הגלויות ושיבת ישראל לארצם… ואחר כך תבוא הגאולה הפנימית.”Otzrot Ramchal: “שיבת ישראל לארצם היא התחלת התיקון, שאז מתעורר הגוף של האומה, ואחר כך ישוב האור העליון להשלים את הנשמה.”
Adir Bamarom: “הבניין החיצון מקדים אל הבניין הפנימי, כי כך סדר הגאולה.”
Imagine the embarrassment that the neturei kartai will embrace when they are faced with the truth. Anyone who disagrees with the ramchal is a out of his mind.
Actually we do find the concept of a divinely ordained exile in the Navi. Hashem does use the prophets to exhort the nation to indeed go to Bavel and those who didnt paid the price. Those who did were able to return with Ezra. You find verses referring to this in Melachim, Yirmeyahu, Yechezkel.
Mo’ed Katan 26a
Those who resisted Nebuchadnezzar’s exile are called:
“ממרים את פי הנביא” – those who rebel against the prophet’s word.
Sanhedrin 93a
The righteous who did submit to exile (like Daniel and his companions) are considered faithful to Hashem’s decree.ZSK – The personality disorder stuff was a reference to the (fake) NK clowns themselves. אין הכי נמי, it isn’t necessary to be עד כדי כך sick just to be a troll. But who you are a fan of does say a lot about who you are. מצרף לכסף וכור לזהב ואיש לפי מהללו
SQUARE_ROOT:
No, it is the actual Ani Maamin of waiting for Mashiach, of course. See the Satmar Rav on that (and nobody argues on that).P.S. No, again. What Rav Elchonon said a century ago about both secular and “Religious” Zionism remains at least as relevant today as back then. You just made that up. Logically, however, today there is an actual “State”, which is the object of their idolatrous worship, so his concerns remain even more more relevant.
And those rabbis are all absolutely right about Zionism, with nobody of note disagreeing.
TPANEACH:
First of all, it’s not about “NK”; this is the Torah’s view. But there is nothing there about which they need to be embarrassed. The oaths still remain in effect, of course, and nobody is permitted to violate them as the Zionists flagrantly did and do, and the “Religious” ones are proud of those violations.AAQ:
What other opinions? That of idolater Zionists? There are no other Torah opinions.Katan> What other opinions?
Stop pretending that R Elchonon is the only Torah opinion. As I mentioned, please consider Chofetz Chaim’s opinion, including his apparent lack of statement on some topics.
yb to katan :
the secretary general of the arab league in 1947 stated that if the state of israel is proclaimed , the massacres of djengis khan will pale in comparison to what is going to happen in EY …
multiply october 7 by a thousand, as planned and promised by ‘sweet’ cohens friends …
and you will have the honored secretary’s prophesy actualized
october 7 serves as a good reminder as to what the friends of our ‘sweet’ cohen are really up to ….katan to yb :
Yet the Zionists, claiming they had a 50/50 chance of winning the war, chose to go against the UN which wanted to start a new mandate and instead chose to flip the coin and go to war, regardless of the cost in Jewish blood. Because in the Zionist faith, Zionism is above all else.
—–please read the above exchange …
the question : is katan sidestepping ?
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did he say anything about the goals of sweet cohen’s friends ?
did he say anything about the methods of sweet cohen’s friends ?
why not ?
does sweet cohen give any legitimacy to his friends goals and methods ?
is katan giving any legitimacy to sweet cohens friends’ goals and methods ?
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food for thought ….
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.In the videos of the recent Islamo-Nazi protest in front of the Park East Synagogue, Neturei Karta (Neturei Kapos) protestors were seen joining with their Muslim brothers who were chanting threats of violent jihad against the Jews.
This issue really has nothing to do with “Zionism” or “anti-Zionism”, Neturei Karta and their Muslim brothers are waging war against the Torah.
A fake strawman of “anti-Zionism” can never justify morphing Eretz Yisrael into a fake “Palestine” and joining with genocidal Muslim jihadists.
Those who demand “Free Palestine” should be considered non-Jews whose prophet is Mohamed and whose god is “Allah”.
The time is long overdue that the religious Jewish community declare Neturei Kapos to be non-Jewish “rodfim” and enemies of the Jews.
Neturei Kapos should be banished from all Torah observant synagogues and their busineses boycotted by decent Jews.
One might argue that Ben Gurion was a wicked Jew but he was still a Jew, but it does not seem clear that Neturei Karta are Jews.
AAQ:
The Chofetz Chaim agreed with his talmid muvhak Rav Elchonon, of course.YB:
Not very thoughtful, actually. The point remains that he is telling the gentiles not to blame Jews for anything the Zionists do or don’t do. That’s their point.WrongJew:
See the response in the new thread you made for that.RightJew, THANK YOU again, for speaking THE TRUTH that we all need to hear!
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of Hamas.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of Hezbollah.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of the Houthis.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of the Taliban & Al-Qaeda.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of the Iranian Ayatollahs.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of genocidal Jew-haters.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of Gaza terrorists who shot 36,000 rockets at Jews.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who kidnap and murder Jewish children.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who murdered 1,200+ Jews on 2023 October 7.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is an ALLY of terrorists who killed Jewish athletes at the Munich Olympics.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a LUNATIC.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RASHA.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RODAIF.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a MOSAIR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a TRAITOR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a NAZI or NEO-NAZI.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a CHILLUL HASHEM.
The entire membership of the Neturei Karta
must be extradited to Israel, and thrown in jail, until they die.Everything I said about the Neturei Karta [Neturei Kapos]
is also true for: UJM, HaKatan and SomeJewIKnow.SQUARE_ROOT:
As mentioned in the other post you spammed with these vile curses against your fellow Jews (including members of these boards), you should beg forgiveness from those Jews that you cursed. You should be banned from posting anything else to these boards.For all the well meaning chevra posting here and thereby keeping this and other similar threads alive:
The whole point of these “pyro” threads is to provoke lots of angry responses, and thereby provide the trolls with their daily shot of antisocial/masochistic satisfaction. If everyone would just ignore them and let them die out, there would be less incentive for the trolls to keep up the game, at least on this site.
To YYA
Why don’t you take you own advice and stop posting? Nobody is interested in your nonsense. You try to convince yourself that people are about your worthless opinions, because you’re a pompous fool.When Rabbi Shteinmann ZTL ZYA came to Monsey,
the Neturei Karta spit on his face.When will we Jews get SERIOUS about stopping this very dangerous evil?
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a LUNATIC.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a RODAIF.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a MOSAIR.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a CHILLUL HASHEM.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a SHONDA FOR THE G0Y1M.
Every member of the Neturei Karta is a FANATICAL ANTI-SEMITE.Neturei Karta Attacks Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch:
@SQUARE_ROOT:
As mentioned in the other post you spammed with these vile curses against your fellow Jews (including members of these boards), you should beg forgiveness from those Jews that you cursed. You should be banned from posting anything else to these boards.Evidence that the Agudath Israel organization is pro-Israel:
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Yeshivah World News said this:“Agudath Israel of America expresses its appreciation
to Ambassador Nikki Haley, whose service in
the United Nations over the past nearly
two years has been exemplary.”“Ambassador Haley’s voice was clear and consistent
in championing the causes of human rights
and democracy across the globe.”“Her strong support of Israel and articulate defense
of its security made her a deeply respected figure
in the Orthodox Jewish community.”“Agudath Israel represents and among citizens of
goodwill of all faiths. She will be long remembered
as a fearless fighter against the pervasive
anti-Israel hypocrisy of the United Nations.”“We wish Ambassador Haley well as she leaves
her post, and look forward to working with her
again in the years ahead in whatever form
of public service she may undertake.”SOURCE: article titled: “Statement Of Agudath Israel
Of America On The Resignation Of Nikki Haley
US Ambassador To The United Nations”
2018 October 10 at 9:30 AM by The Yeshiva World [News]micro,
You should be banned from posting anything until you call out your NK (Nazi Kapo) buddies for their vile behavior against the Gadol Hador.
You tried to dance around this by writing, “there is no need to condemn the obvious”. Yet you also wrote “we don’t run our lives based on what people claim gedolim say. We ask our rav or rebbi who has a real mesorah from a real rebbi…going all the way back”.
What you really meant is that you, just like NK, don’t hold of him as Gadol Hador. Until you explicitly acknowledge their unacceptable public desecration, you have no right to criticize anyone!
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