November 9, 2015 4:32 am at 4:32 am #616630
Does anyone remember which archive shiur of Rabbi Zecharia Wallerstein on Torah Anytime has the part where he imitates the way he thinks rappers perform? I remember that bit but can’t remember the title of the shiur…. Thanks! 🙂November 9, 2015 8:42 am at 8:42 am #1112188Mashiach AgentMember
Anyone who sings rap music is called singing goyish music just was changed to Jewish words and is bringing a taam of Tumah into k lal YisroelNovember 9, 2015 10:31 am at 10:31 am #1112189Geordie613Participant
Any RZW fans, while you’re answering the OP, can you tell me where he says, “Get off the freakin internet! Get off Facebook!”.November 9, 2015 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #1112190TheGoqParticipant
Thank you MA for answering the op’s question and not going off topic thank you thank you.November 9, 2015 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #1112191JosephParticipant
Going off topic is strictly against the rules of the CR. It is something that is rarely seen.November 9, 2015 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #1112192
@geordie613 – There are a few shiurim where he warns his audience like that. I also can’t remember which exactly. There’s also a shiur where Rabbi Wallerstein says, “I don’t know anything about the Internet.” But that’s a whole other matter that I’d rather not discuss here in my thread.
Again, folks, if anyone can remember which shiur R’ Wallerstein did the rap, it would be appreciated. 🙂November 12, 2015 4:22 am at 4:22 am #1112193
I have the name of the shiur. If you tell me why you want this
piece of information, I can decide whether to provide it or not.November 12, 2015 5:45 am at 5:45 am #1112194👑RebYidd23Participant
I would like an explanation from the poster calling himself Mashiach Agent about why rap music is assur.November 12, 2015 3:20 pm at 3:20 pm #1112195golferParticipant
Anybody wishing to explain, l’toeles harabim, why rap music is not worse than the music of Tchaikovsky, Mozart, Beethoven, and the Beatles, please do so now…November 12, 2015 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #1112196
You forgot Wagner, who was a vicious Anti-Semite
I dont know if Beethoven or Mozart were anti-semites or not
Felix Mendelsohn was a minNovember 12, 2015 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm #1112197MammeleParticipant
I once heard that you can determine a song’s status by how one shakes to the beat. So if you’re only inspired to tap your toes to Mozart it seems pretty benign versus rap. Don’t know if it’s a perfect barometer but you get the idea.November 12, 2015 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1112198
Classical music can be pretty fast and loud
Ride of the Valkyries by Wagner or
The Overture to Carmen by Bizet
1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky (With Canon)
Are fairly loud and very upbeat tempoNovember 12, 2015 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1112199
FYI Bas Kol is not Rap, its more a pop musicNovember 12, 2015 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1112200sonMember
A good chunk of vocal music today – be it rap, pop, or something else – has some rather empty, negative, or contrary-to-Torah values. Rap music is certainly (no statistics here – I don’t think it’s necessary) of the more explicitly risque/vulgar variety which I think conjures the “red-line” much more.
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We are influenced by what we hear or see and all that comes with it whether we are aware of it or not. If one spends time around the street, they come to look more and more like it regardless of if it is conscious or not. That applies both to vocal or non-vocal music.
With regards to Mozart: I don’t think there are cultural norms for people who listen to or are even involved in classical/orchestral/symphonic music.
Assur? I’m sure fingers can be pointed to things like “bechukoseihem” and the ilk, but I think it can be useful to start with the a seicheldige understanding.November 12, 2015 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #1112201
@Comlink-X – I wanted to share the shiur with someone who could really benefit from hearing it.November 12, 2015 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #1112202
On the subject of rap music, to which I have very little exposure, I believe the general consensus is that rap music tends to have a lot of vulgar language and the lyrics blatantly objectify women and speak poorly of human beings in general. And I can think of a million reasons why listening to a guy chanting slang and vulgarities to a repetitive beat is ugly in comparison to orchestral arrangements by classical composers and early rock music with a TUNE (not to mention, in the Beatles’ case, epic vocal harmonies) and by comparison tasteful lyrics.November 13, 2015 6:02 am at 6:02 am #1112203
You want to give the infamous zumba speech to someone you think
could really benefit from it? I’m kind of skeptical…
(At least, I think that’s the one you mean.)
But whatever, it’s public stuff. On YouTube, it’s titled
“Freedom From This Galut is Based on Sarah Imeinus Tzniut.”
I don’t see it on TorahAnytime.
the general consensus is that rap music tends to have a lot of vulgar language and the lyrics blatantly objectify women and speak poorly of human beings in general.
Vulgar language – check. Censored versions are often made.
(Other music is catching up, especially when it features rappers.)
Objectify women – check. (Other music did it first.)
Speak poorly of human beings in general – As in, it expresses negative views about humanity (probably not), or it doesn’t
reflect well on humans that we’ve created it (check)?November 13, 2015 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1112204
I see why you’d be hesitant to give out that particular lecture just like that. From just skimming through the video, I can see how the poor man’s words were taken so out of context.
I think I’m looking for a different shiur where R’ Wallerstein does this all-out “rap” that was about how rap lyrics promote violence and “killing everybody.”
With regards to your quote of my post, I believe you left out the phrase “I believe” before I made that statment. 😉 As someone who doesn’t have much exposure to the genre, I am open about the fact that I have little expertise. I do know with certainty that the stuff that blasts out of cars driving down my street from time to time cannot be compared even to old rock music.November 13, 2015 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1112205
We should always remember not only is hashem watching you whever you go, there is someone with a smartphone also watching you , looking to catch you tripping up and saying the wrong thing. One should always watch their words in public and realize that even if your audience likes what you say, not everyone will and those people can put the video on youtube making you look like a foolNovember 15, 2015 6:13 am at 6:13 am #1112206
I can see how the poor man’s words were taken so out of context.
I don’t think context would fix some of what
some people don’t like about that speech.
With regards to your quote of my post, I believe you
left out the phrase “I believe” before I made that statement.
True. Care to correct the post, mods?
even if your audience likes what you say, not everyone will and those people can put the video on youtube making you look like a fool
True, but in this case, the video was put up by TorahAnytime.
? You wrote above – I don’t see it on TorahAnytime.November 15, 2015 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1112207November 17, 2015 6:39 pm at 6:39 pm #1112208
@mr.mustard – Thank you!!! This shiur seems a little more recent than what I recall hearing, but it sounds like a step in the right direction!
@Comlink-X and the Mod who commented on their post – I think the video was probably on TA at one point. The YouTube video I found had the TA watermark. Maybe TA took the video down because of its controversial elements.November 18, 2015 3:07 am at 3:07 am #1112209Torah613TorahParticipant
ZD, you can hear the evil in Wagner’s music. Listening to it always makes me depressed. It sounds chaotic and angry.November 18, 2015 4:06 am at 4:06 am #1112210
Mods, can I ask you to edit the title
of that speech out of my earlier post?
As for the video being on YouTube, TorahAnytime is an independent
website, not a YouTube account. I had assumed the account with the speech belonged to TorahAnytime, but it seems likely that it is not. The point still stands, because the account is mostly a repository for Torah lectures – the speech wasn’t put up in a negative context.
I think I’m looking for a different shiur where R’ Wallerstein does this all-out “rap”
(I wondered, seeing as this imitation was just a second or two long.)
If you do come across the one you were looking for originally,
please let me know – I’m curious.
I do know with certainty that the stuff that blasts out of cars driving down my street from time to time cannot be compared even to old rock music.
That being what forms many people’s impression of non-Jewish music
is really annoying. The music listened to by people who listen to music
at a volume that probably damages their hearing over time, and who
are rude enough to blast their music like that, is obviously not going
to be the most tasteful stuff around (although popular music taste
in general is pretty bad – a really good piece of music hitting #1 on
the standard charts would almost be a surprise at this point).
But, given that there are strong grounds on which to argue that
we shouldn’t be listening to non-Jewish music, it’s hard to really
consider it a bad thing…
I once heard that you can determine a song’s
status by how one shakes to the beat.
Can uniform response to rhythm in humans be assumed?
(Won’t some of us respond differently than others?)
FYI Bas Kol is not Rap, its more a pop music
Was there a post about this “Bas Kol” that was deleted?
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