November 29, 2017 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1414974
Rav Avigdor Miller
Q: What’s going to happen to the Lubavitcher chassidim, and to the Satmerer chassidim, and to the Belzer chassidim, when Moshiach will come?
A: That’s a question that’s too big for me to answer. But one thing I will tell you though. This will happen – they will all be happy. They will all rejoice! No question about it, they’ll all be together in happiness. And they will hold hands, and dance together around Moshiach. No question about that! This I can guarantee you.
The only question is, what nussach will they daven? Nussach S’fard, or Nussach Ashkenaz? I think there will have to be a showdown there. And there will be a Sanhedrin then, and the Sanhedrin will say that we should all come back to the original nussach. The original nussach? What’s the original nussach, that’s the problem. What was the original nussach? The אנשי כנסת הגדולה made only one nussach; they didn’t make ten different נוסחאות.
So at that time, we’ll come back to the original nussach, and everybody will find out that he’s making some mistakes. Everybody is saying something wrong – but not much, since we’re יוצא anyways. But in the time of Moshiach, we’re going to come back to one nussach together. And then ביום ההוא יהיה השם אחד ושמו אחד. Everyone will call out to the one Hashem, with the same language, the same nussach, of tefillah.
TAPE # 810 (December 1990)November 29, 2017 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm #1415174👑RebYidd23Participant
I don’t think this statement is really about the hand-holding.November 29, 2017 12:59 pm at 12:59 pm #1415187GadolhadorahParticipant
Normally, I don’t take Joseph literally, but here I wonder…..the optics aren’t especially pretty. But giving Joseph the benefit of the doubt, as he is always prone to do for others, I assume he meant this as a metaphor that in Z’man moishiach, all broigas will be resolved (except perhaps for a few yellow flag wavers who may not have gotten the memo).November 29, 2017 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #1415204
I didn’t give that “metaphor”. The Rov zt’l himself said it in the above quoted answer that they’ll “hold hands and dance together around Moshiach.”November 29, 2017 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1415278Avram in MDParticipant
I think they’re talking about the thread title, which was kind of strange, not Rav Miller’s words, which were not.November 29, 2017 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm #1415365
Referring to hand holding isn’t strange.November 30, 2017 6:08 am at 6:08 am #1415797my own kind of jewParticipant
Also, Joseph, why did you include “zt’l” after the Rav’s name in a different thread but not in this one? Was there a significant reason, or just forgot/decided to later?”November 30, 2017 8:03 am at 8:03 am #1415790my own kind of jewParticipant
I feel the need to say….i mostly vehemently disagree with practically everything I’ve ever seen of Rav Avigdor Miller’s writings and opinions… this is the nicest thing I have ever seen attributed to him.November 30, 2017 8:53 am at 8:53 am #1415850
mokoj: Some people, similar to you, are vehemently opposed to practically everything said by the Chofetz Chaim. Others are vehemently opposed to practically everything said by Rav Elyashiv. And others are vehemently opposed to practically everything said by Rav Ovadia Yosef. There are all kinds of people who are vehemently opposed to practically everything said by name-whichever-tzaddik.November 30, 2017 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #1416054besalelParticipant
“The only question is, what nussach will they daven? Nussach S’fard, or Nussach Ashkenaz?”
That’s rich! Why aren’t Nussach Ari (which is what chabad uses), Nussach Teiman, Nussach Morocco, etc. options?
And why can we not retain different styles of prayer anyway? I.e., instead of looking at them as all bad, why can’t we view the, as all good?
Also not sure why the Rav zt”l thinks that the default will be the Anshe Knesses original. One can argue that the Yemois Hamoshiach will be an Oilam where the Nistar becomes Nigleh and so that Ari revisions will be more appropriate for such a world.
In any case, some portions, i.e. Lamalshinim, will no longer be applicable. So we may switch to the original and redact that prayer, but not because anyone did anything wrong all this time.November 30, 2017 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #1416070
Besalel: He also referred to “ten different נוסחאות”. The two he mentioned were just examples. He wasn’t giving a discourse, just answering a question.
And there have been probably dozens of other נוסחאות throughout history that have been lost today. After techiyas hameisim surely you don’t expect they’ll be a hundred+ נוסחאות that will be in use.
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