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  • #2018414
    Maivin
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    Is there a problem of 2 sisters marrying 2 brothers?

    #2018493
    Reb Eliezer
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    Regardless of Rav Yehudah Hachassid there would be no chalitza necessary.

    #2018505
    ujm
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    No problem.

    #2018689
    ☕️coffee addict
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    I know someone that did that

    #2018723
    AviraDeArah
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    Gemara in yavamos has this case quite often

    #2018837
    Milhouse
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    Yes, there is a problem. Rabbi Yehuda Hachassid. That doesn’t mean one shouldn’t do it, but it does mean that they should be extra careful not to violate any of the other provisions in the Tzava’ah.

    He also says two brothers should not live in the same city, which almost nobody today worries about; but if the brothers have already violated one clause by marrying sisters, it would be a good idea not to violate a second, so one of the couples should move to another city.

    #2018838
    Milhouse
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    Gemara in yavamos has this case quite often

    And look what happens in every one of those cases!

    #2018907
    Gadolhadorah
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    Could one of our more erudite posters share the substance and takeaways of the Gemorah in Yavamos on this issue?

    #2018967
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    GH: Yibum is when there are two (or more) paternal brothers, one of whom dies childless. The brother marries (or does chalitzah if he does not want to marry) the widow. This marriage is called yibum (yevama reverse to the widow; the plural is yevamos, but the actual name of the mesechta (tractate) is likely actually “Yabmus” which refers to the topic of this type of marriage).

    If two brothers are married to two sisters, and one brother dies, he cannot marry his sister in law, because she is his wife’s sister, and a man cannot marry two sisters.

    This case, with several variations, is frequently discussed in the Gemara.

    #2019608
    Milhouse
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    And my (not very serious) point was that in every single such case in the gemara one of the brothers dies without children. If one can draw any valid lesson from this gemara, it is surely that R Yehuda Hachasid was right, and brothers marrying sisters is a bad idea.

    #2019971
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Yeah, but in the mesechta, even brothers married to non relatives are constantly dying…

    #2020023
    Maivin
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    and these days? Have you heard of anyone suffering from 2 brothers marrying 2 sisters?

    #2020060
    ujm
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    I know of a set of brothers marrying sisters. One set remained childless.

    #2020184

    The less in-laws, the healthier the extended family!

    On a related note, ishamailim have a minhag of marrying two sisters on the same day to sav on expenses. Ashkenazim used to have Friday weddings for same reason.

    #2020388
    HaLeiVi
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    You gotta think practical. What happens if one marriage doesn’t work out רחמנא ליצלן? On which side would the other couple stand?

    #2020398
    ujm
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    HaLeVi: Are you suggesting that’s a basis for such matches to not be consummated in the first place?

    #2020478
    Gadolhadorah
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    I’m not sure that saving a few thousand NIS is a good reason for your brother to marry your sister-in-aw, unless of course, they had already decided to marry, even if you are Isamaelim. Friday weddings save money? Perhaps because there is much less demand to rent simcha halls erev shabbos and the caterer has lots of left over Chulent and other delites from Thursday evening along with other leftover food they are offering at a steal.

    #2020717

    GH, just see how rich we became that struggles of previous generations are totally strange to us. But we are still complaining…

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