August 10, 2012 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #604509WIYMember
“HaKail HaGodal ViHanorah Asher lo Yisa Fanim ViLo Yikach Shochad. Oiseh Mishpat Yosoim ViAlmanah ViOhaiv Ger Losais Lohem Lechem ViSimlah; Hashem who does not show favor and does not take bribes. Who carries out judgment to orphans and widows and loves the convert to give him bread and garments.” (10:17)
The Ksav Sofer says that this pasuk is a warning to people who think that just because they are fine people “Bain Adam LaChavero” – they treat others very well, this is sufficient. They don’t need to be a good Jew “Bain Adam LaMokom” – their good deeds to their brethren will wipe away their sins to Hashem. The pasuk therefore says, “Asher lo Yisa Fanim ViLo Yikach Shochad” – Hashem will not take as a bribe the fact that you are, “Oiseh Mishpat Yosoim ViAlmanah ViOhaiv Ger Losais Lohem Lechem ViSimlah” – you take care of the orphans, widows and converts. Just because you are a good Jew to others, does not relinquish you of the obligation to be a good Jew to the Ribono Shel Olam, too!August 12, 2012 2:12 am at 2:12 am #941803ItcheSrulikMember
Yes, that is what the pasuk says. There is a whole Torah out there. You have to do both. Isn’t that kind of basic?August 12, 2012 2:59 am at 2:59 am #941804WIYMember
Basic to some of us but others believe that as long as you are a nice guy it doesnt matter what else you do. They may not say it in so many words but if you read some peoples opinions here you will see what i mean.August 12, 2012 3:56 am at 3:56 am #941805far eastMember
WIY- This may be relavent to some people here. But theres another thing people need to know. You can do every mitzvah in the torah and be machmir on every little stringency, but if you lack the basics of bain adam lchavairo, your no better then someone whose just “a nice guy” and doesnt keep all the mitzvosMarch 29, 2013 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #941806WiseyParticipant
Kiddushin- one who abides by “bein odom limakom” alone is a tzaddik ra. One who abides by only bein odom lichaveiro is a rasha tov.March 31, 2013 3:39 am at 3:39 am #941807The Kanoi Next DoorMember
” There is a whole Torah out there. You have to do both. Isn’t that kind of basic?”
You would think, wouldn’t you.
+1. Anybody who only keeps the part of the Torah that strikes their fancy is clearly not doing even that for the right reason (’cause Hashem said so).March 31, 2013 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #941808old manParticipant
Understanding the words of the Ksav Sofer requires a specific historical context. He would never have needed to state what every child knows; that all the mitzvos of the Torah are obligatory, both bein adam lamakom and bein adam l’chaveiro.
The Ksav Sofer succeeded his father as Rav and Rosh Yeshiva in Pressburg. Hence, his fight against the Reform was foremost in his mind, as it was with his father. This vort on the pasuk relates to the movement to abandon bein adam lamakom and concentrate only on bein adam l’chaveiro. It was not a chiddush, rather it was a lumdishe rebuttal.
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