July 2, 2012 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #603964
laughing is good 4 youMember
Has anyone heard of the hechsher CUP-K (not chaf-k)?
What about KVH?
Are they reliable?July 2, 2012 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #1098466
Song of BlessingMember
not heard of it but ask ur rav……July 2, 2012 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #1098467
I believe I have heard that KVH is good. I believe that Kosherquest. com is a reliable website to list Hechsherim, from what I’ve been told.July 2, 2012 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1098468
I’ve heard of them.July 3, 2012 4:05 am at 4:05 am #1098470
CRC (Chicago) doesn’t list either.July 3, 2012 4:31 am at 4:31 am #1098471
Is cRc, Chicago, reliable?July 3, 2012 5:15 am at 5:15 am #1098472
Kita Ches RebbiParticipant
Rabbinical Council of New England (KVH)
177 Tremont St., Boston, MA 02111
Rabbi Zalman Krems, Rabbinic Administrator
I am told it is a reliable hashgacha. If you eat Kellog’s, you have relied on them yourself.July 3, 2012 5:20 am at 5:20 am #1098473
this is already the third thread on this topic. See:July 3, 2012 5:24 am at 5:24 am #1098474
Some say KVH on Kellogs is only reliable for non flavored cereals such as Corn Flakes, rice krispies, raisin bran and frosted flakes. Colored flavored relies on heterim not acceptable to all. Check it outJuly 3, 2012 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1098475
Shmoel, are you reliable?July 3, 2012 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1098476
Some say KVH on Kellogs is only reliable for non flavored cereals such as Corn Flakes, rice krispies, raisin bran and frosted flakes.
Some say Kellogg’s has been checked independently of the KVH.July 3, 2012 1:34 pm at 1:34 pm #1098477
Is cRc, Chicago, reliable?
My contacts tell me that it’s a solid organization, and that their list of hechsheirim is used as reference by many kashrus organizations.July 3, 2012 1:55 pm at 1:55 pm #1098478
The words I was told by someone who asked someone (I will not name names) who is the head of a kashrus agency is that the cup-k (Israel Mayer Steinberg) is ma’achil treifos. He gives the “hechsher to Ben’s deli and othe places which are open on shabbos.July 3, 2012 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #1098479
I don’t know if cup-K is indeed Israel Mayer Steinberg, but I also heard a prominent Rov in flatbush publicly denounce rabbi steinberg as “Ma’achil treifos l’rabbim b’mayzid”July 3, 2012 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1098480
Some say Kellogg’s has been checked independently of the KVH.
What good is “some say”? If you aren’t certain of its reliability, then it cannot be consumed.July 3, 2012 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1098481
If you aren’t certain of its reliability, then it cannot be consumed.
I assume you only eat from your own shechita.July 4, 2012 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1098482
DY – He can’t even eat from his own shechita, ??? ????? ??? ???.July 4, 2012 12:55 am at 12:55 am #1098483
DY: You missed the point entirely. You implied that KVH is unreliable on its own, by saying that some say Kellogg’s has been checked independently of the KVH. Yet, if it is unreliable and needs independent checking, what good is relying on purported independent checking, if you aren’t even certain that it is in fact independently checked!July 4, 2012 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1098484
People I trust use Kellogg’s, and it appears on lists which I consider trustworthy. Nevertheless, one can’t extrapolate that the hechsher is reliable, because it might be okay despite, not because of, the hechsher.
I actually have no specific knowledge about that hechsher, I don’t mean to imply that it’s not reliable, just that the general acceptance of Kellogg’s shouldn’t be a hechsher on the KVH.July 4, 2012 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1098485
True 🙂July 4, 2012 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1098486
Anyone know about the hashgacha SSK (Shield Star K)?July 4, 2012 4:01 am at 4:01 am #1098487
To Rabbaim and others:KVH/Rabbinical council of New England recently installed a whole new vaad. As part of the transition, the new vaad analyzed the Kashrus situation and clamped down on any laxities.
The kashrus division of the Vaad oversees virtually all kosher stores in the boston area and is compromised of talmidie chachomim.July 4, 2012 4:12 am at 4:12 am #1098488
Shield Star K aka Kosher Technical Konsultants is not on the cRc list. They claim to be completely Orthodox. Needs further research.July 4, 2012 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #1098489
Is Triangle-K reliable? I heard that the rabbi who started T-K (the current rabbis father) did something chutzpadik to Rav Moshe, which is part of the reason the oilem doesn’t use T-K.
Who gives a hechsher on Coke and Pepsi?July 11, 2013 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1098490
Does anyone know if the hashgacha KF from London is considered a reliable hashgacha? I’ve heard that it’s not the best and it’s only good for some things. I’ve seen it on candy (Vidal’s) and on american cereal in EY.July 11, 2013 9:55 pm at 9:55 pm #1098492
the english bnei torah that ive spoken to say that its not lichatchila.July 11, 2013 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #1098493
Toi- thanks.July 12, 2013 12:29 am at 12:29 am #1098494
KVH is reliable. I have inside information since my husband worked as a mashgiach when he lived in Boston.July 12, 2013 2:31 am at 2:31 am #1098495
To quote a former retailer- “An educated consumer is our best customer” (I know they went bankrupt but the slogan is still a good one). This is not the place- ask your Rov, local kashrus professional and others “in the know” that you trust.
Biggest hechsher in the world?
“KOKUSH” (in hebrew letters)- Kulam Ochlim Kulam Shotim
(aka “everyone eats it”)July 12, 2013 4:15 am at 4:15 am #1098497
If i tell you how i know, i give away my anonymity so please believe me when i say i know.
KVH is now recommended. BH Rabbi Krems has done an outstanding job getting “farleslicha” mashgichim to review plants and actually conduct regular timely inspections, a must for providing proper hashgocha.
“Cup-k” is NOT recommended. One must wonder if the name was chosen because it sounds so much like Kof-K – which is obviously reliable.
cRc – Chicago Rabbinical Council – is recommended.
KF – is acceptable.
Tri-k remains UNacceptable.
SSK aka Kosher Technical Konsultants out of Philly, is NOT accepted by any reputable agency. With apologies to Reb Doniel, NO ONE allows their product.July 12, 2013 4:40 am at 4:40 am #1098499
Kasher- in a way you’re right but here you at least get a picture if it’s a good hechsher.July 12, 2013 5:50 am at 5:50 am #1098500
If i tell you how i know, i give away my anonymity
you mean you aren’t Mark Levin?July 12, 2013 6:25 am at 6:25 am #1098501
As “Mark Levine” has posted, “SSK aka Kosher Technical Konsultants out of Philly, is NOT accepted by any reputable agency.” A few months ago, I personally did research into SSK. I have no reason to think that Rabbi Silver is not a wonderful individual. What I did find out is that he has not lived in Philly for years. Which raises the question, why someone would purport to be somewhere that he realistically is not? Is there something to hide? As mentioned by others, I also was informed by major kashrus organizations that this hechsher is not accepted by reputable agencies.July 12, 2013 6:27 am at 6:27 am #1098502
Saying “no one” means nothing. If people didn’t allow it, his products wouldn’t be on the market. You mean the big 5 and their cohorts don’t allow it. It’s mostly politics.July 12, 2013 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm #1098503
Best Rav Hamachshir is Rabbi David Shawel,Director of Kosher Supervision at Dallas Kosher.July 12, 2013 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #1098504
It’s mostly politics.
So it’s mostly kosher?July 12, 2013 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #1098505
Nothing beats pick and choose Judaism. Hey as long as you do Tikkun Chatzos right?July 12, 2013 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #1098506
WIY: You mean “Tikkun Olam”.July 12, 2013 1:47 pm at 1:47 pm #1098507
That too. But rebdoniel does Tikkun Chatzos so it’s just rather funny putting it all together.July 12, 2013 3:16 pm at 3:16 pm #1098508
Mark Levin, what’s the difference between “recommended” and “acceptable?”July 12, 2013 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #1098509
The principle of ed echad ne’eman be issurin (and ne’emanut in general) says that if a Jew is a shomer shabbos, you trust his hashgacha. Smaller hechshers run by shomer shabbat rabbanim require the individual to ascertain whether those standards are acceptable to him, just as many individuals don’t even rely on the “big 5” for all things (e.g. those who believe tuna requires bishul yisrael wouldn’t purchase OU tuna fish, and so on).July 12, 2013 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #1098510
rebdoniel, the way it was explained to me by someone in the kashrus field is as follows. There are many different types of doctors out there. For some types of doctors if you tell him you’re sick, they’ll tell you “take two aspirin and call me in the morning.” Those types of doctors aren’t really doctors. They have no idea what they’re talking about. The person next to you could have told you the same thing. However there are other doctors that you could go to and tell them you’re sick and they’ll look at your symptoms and see how sick you are and they’ll diagnose you and offer treatment. Those doctors know what they’re doing. This is the same thing with kashrus. Some people call themselves mashgichim and say “I know kashrus, it’s easy.” In reality, however, they have no idea what to look for. There are other people that learn Hilchos Kashrus, know all the Chumras and kulas, and they are reliable Mashgichim.July 12, 2013 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #1098511
I hear your point. People have different standards. As I said, some Jews won’t touch OU tuna fish. Others won’t touch Rabbanut gelatin, so on and so forth. People ought to become familiar with different shitos, though. They should understand, practically and textually, issues such as whether I can wash meat and milk dishes together or in the same sink or dishwasher, or the issues pertaining to intentional bitul, or to gevinat akum, or to gelatin, or whatever the issue is.July 13, 2013 10:10 am at 10:10 am #1098512
Yes it too much reliableNovember 11, 2014 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #1098513
I can say that I called a butcher upstate, an hour from me (the closest), and he said Israel Mayer Steinberg (who is, indeed, the Cup-K) certified him, AND SOLD HIM HIS MEAT! (Can you say conflict of interest?) When someone in my synagogue asked about another shop certified by Rabbi Steinberg, the authority asked said, “Better he should buy his meat in Monsey.” That’s a polite way of saying, “I wouldn’t.”September 2, 2015 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1098514
My bad. Agencies that are willing to comment on the reliability of other certifiers, don’t want to use the word acceptable, and they instead use the word recommended. This is for legal reasons going back to the Harold Sharfman days owning the KOAOA where he tried suing everyone and their mother for saying that the half moon k symbol was not acceptable. Granted once he died his son was able to steer the agency into acceptability and it was then purchased by the OU.
Bottom line is it’s a legalese thing.June 4, 2017 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #1289311
As a general rule regarding any specific hechsher, how could consumers know whether it is reliable or unreliable?June 4, 2017 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #1289313
CYLOR?June 4, 2017 8:06 pm at 8:06 pm #1289345
The problem is that commercial entities can’t post a list of “bad hechshers,” for legal reasons which makes it a lot harder to determine. We, as a forum, could actually do such a thing; maybe this deserves a spinoff thread. The list that I know of would be:
Cup K (I just learned here. Never seen it before)
Any others?June 4, 2017 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #1289348
I still can’t get over rebdoniel’s assertion that the fact that a hechsher stays in business proves that it’s reliable. Is it even worth responding to such comments?
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