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It was because he tried to deny security assistance to Ukraine.
We should all be grateful to HaShem that Joe Biden is now President of the United States.
oh gosh you are so right! Putin is right there with you thanking Gd that Biden is in charge!
no words…
I do have a theory that people who write a post and don’t get attention for it and then put it into a new thread are just hoping for attention for it. And I somehow let myself get sucked in…
And the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Donald Trump. It is quite obvious that Putin prefers Trump.
We are all old enough to remember how Trump did Putin’s bidding on the world stage in Helsinki. Thank goodness the autocrat wanna-be is gone and busy with his new Pravda Social.
Yes, life is so much better now
âAnd the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Russia interfered in the 2016 election on behalf of Donald Trump. It is quite obvious that Putin prefers Trump.â
Time turn off the CNN and join the rest of us in reality.
And it turns out now that the Ukrainians are fighting the Russians with the weapons that Trump sent them, and the Obama had refused to send after Russia first started invading Ukraine, and arguably under the treaty signed by President Clinton (but never submitted for ratification) the US is obligated to defend Ukraine if attacked.
Biden had firmly told the Russians that invading Ukraine is very naughty. He hasn’t responded in a meaningful manner such as by applying the trading with the enemy act (banning all trade with Russia), deporting non-immigrants Russians (other than refugees seeking asylum) from the United States, calling up Reserves and National Guard, sending serious reinforcements to Europe or asking Congress for a significant increase in the Defense budget.
Trump armed the Ukraine, and built up the military. The Democrats owe him an apology for defaming him. The real traitor was Obama who gave blessed the Russian invasion on Ukraine and broke the American promise to protect the Ukraine.
Not sure how American politics works, but after all whatâs going on under the US âpresidentâ (Afghanistan, immigration chaos, inflation, etc), why on earth isnât he being impeached? Whereâs the accountability?
BOTH parties have totally miscalculated Putin’s resolve to be remembered as having restored Russia’s cold-war power as defined by the geographic extent of its sphere of influence. While he may not succeed in bringing back all the Eastern European countries under the Russian umbrella, he clearly is counting on Western fears of a nuclear war to allow him to add additional real estate to the new Russian empire.
Charlie WB, I was sure something happened to you, bh your alive
Charlie,
We are all so grateful that Neville Chambiden has done such a fine job guaranteeing Ukraine’s security and brought “peace in our time” to the world.
The fact that brainless Brandon’s head is filled with sawdust is his excuse for living in an alternate reality where diapers suffice and he never has to wear big-boy pants.
What’s your excuse?
âI see the Putin supporters are all out in force, trying to defend Putinâs stooge Trump.â
Someone that is blind will always see darkness
Since when is it a good thing to send young men to die in an effort to cover the outright ineptitude of a government?
How many of you supporting this intervention come from the military or have family serving?
Charliehall: Your OBAMA is the one who got us into the mess when he dishonored the treaty with Ukraine the required us to protect the borders (a treaty they paid for by giving up nuclear weapons). Obama and the Democrats stabbed the Ukrainians in the back when Crimea was invaded. And Obama and Biden were always looking for ways to cut the defense budget, meaning that unless the US wants to start full scale mobilization there is no way the US can do anything other the meaningless sanctions (consider what the world would be like if in 1939 the British announce that if Hitler invaded he Poland he wouldn’t be allowed to have a London bank account). And by Biden having surrendered in Afghanistan, he sent Putin a message that the US will no longer support democracies against would be conquerors, and Biden was too stupid realize that announcing the US would never again honor promises to defend others (how MAGA of him) he would set off people like Putin.
What does CNN have to do with the conclusion of the Senate Intelligence Committee? The Republican led committee concluded that Putin interfered to help Trump. Putin prefers Trump.
Trump recked US alliances which was fine and good for Putin. Trump was fine with dissidents being cut up in embassies which is also good for Putin types.
Trump’s policies were a disaster and he left the mess for everyone else. Iran drastically increased uranium production under Trump. Iran decreased it’s nuclear breakout time under Trump. Trump negotiated with the Taliban terrorists and undercut the Afghan government Now that the Orange haired genius is gone it is everybody else’s fault.
Trump installed Jerome Powell as Fed Chair. Trump advocated for easy money policies. He even pushed for an additional 2k stimulus payment opposed by much of the GOP. Inflation is as much Trump’s issue as anyone elses and probably more so.
I had to double check that this 2022 not 2021 thread… You guys need to get yourself out of cnn news about soft issues – who said what, platforms… It is very easy to turn any of these to left or right. Look at facts, Trump gave weapons to Ukraine, moved troops to Poland, defeated ISIS, gave weapons to Kurds, shot at Russians there. You can legitimately point out things he didn’t achieve and we can discuss, but when you deny simple facts, you are not going to convince anyone. Why waste your time?
He actually killed 200 !!!!! Russia mercenaries there in one airstrike
In Syria“The facts speak for themselves.” Claiming that George W. Bush is solely responsible for 9/11 despite the fact that Clinton passed on a clear chance to eliminate Bin Laden because the twin towers didn’t come down under Clinton is obvious nonsense. So to those that ignore the very real consequences of Trump’s reckless and destructive policies. Results of failed policies like Clinton’s error often take time to materialize.
Crazykanoi, the only word that has made sense in your convoluted posts is crazy.
Itâs ok you guys arenât in college anymore, you donât have to pretend to be indoctrinated with leftist dreck to make friends!
crazy, you are going into some complicated question ignoring simple facts. R Twersky writes that the hardest to treat are smart alcoholics – they can always convince themselves why they still can’t drink. So, you seem to say that bad things during Biden are due to Trump, during Obama – due to Bush , etc – while there is some logic here, there is a limit too.
the only place where Russians advanced during Trump times was in Syria where they were already allowed in during Obama times. Given multiple successes US had in Syria and facts on the ground that Assad survived with Russian and Iranian support, it is not clear what else US could have done.
Maybe take a bigger picture – Cato’s latest human freedom index for 2019 shows decreasing freedom between 2008 and 2016 in Eastern Europe and MidEast and stabilized from 2016. If you want, look up other indices.
AAQ: Your quote from R’Twersky is really important. In the current world context, hard to tell which tyrants are acting “rationally’ while concurrently obsessed (aka addicted) to illusions of grandeur, perceived persecution, outlandish aspirations etc.
Charlie: Do you remember the famous recording of Biden bragging (while he was VP) that he threatened the leadership of Ukraine to withhold all aid unless they fired the AG (or whatever the Ukrainian equivalent is) that was investigating Hunter?
Always Ask Questions – Please read my posts before responding and please do not attribute things to me that I clearly did not say. “so, you seem to say that bad things during Biden are due to Trump, during Obama â due to Bush , etc” This is a blatant falsehood or at a minimum a total lack of comprehension.
My point was that most issues are complex and complicated and require a nuanced approach. It is foolish to attribute the fault solely with the person who needs to deal with the consequences of national or global events. That was my point about Clinton and Bush. It was not that it is all Clinton’s or Bush’s fault. I have highlighted many instances of such policy under Trump where Biden is dealing with the consequences (and may well be mismanaging them or not).
When a builder fails to correct a flaw in the foundation of a building it is not a “fact” that the occupant is incompetent because the house collapsed on his watch.
Midwesterner: Biden never bragged about stopping an investigation into Hunter. He never linked aid to Hunter. The Ukrainian official that the US demanded be removed was a corrupt official suspected of funniling aid to his cronies. This was the position of the US and EU. It was public government policy. Do not try to conflate this with withholding aid unless a PUBLIC investigation is made into an opponent who recently announced he is running against you
He didn’t say “Fire the guy who is investigating my son.” He said “Fire the guy” who is investigating my son.
Eats, shoots, and leaves.Sure, and the European Union was also out to aid Hunter. Putinesque distortion of reality has sadly been harnessed by Trump and his purveyors of alternative facts.
Midwesterner: according to your convoluted logic a government official that is corrupt and is considered incompetent and an impediment to necessary governmental reforms by both the US and EU would receive blanket immunity from American government policy because he happens to also be investigating a company that the son of a high ranking US official works for.
Gadol > hard to tell which tyrants are acting ârationallyâ
Gemora mentions power as one of the avoda zara types. I can understand dictators from olden times – first “everyone did that”, second, if you wanted to have a decent life with servants/wine/ladies, you want to be a somebody; and if you are a somebody, you need to concur others before they did same to you. In our times, Kim or Putin could have opened a cyber-security company and become billionaires and have worry-free life without subjugating millions of people. In fact, they live lives of fear worse than a simple unemployed person in America. Not rational.
kanoy, I apologize for mistreating your post. I appreciate complexity that indeed exists in these matters and I am all for considering them. Still, I think we first need to review simple things before going to esoteric.
Biden did not have that many tasks from Obama. He needed to be sure that his son is not doing dirty business in the country he is … fighting corruption. And not flying with him to meet Chinese “investors”. I am not sure why Obama sent Biden to Ukraine given the embarrassing situation. In real life, everyone related to Hunter would lose government security clearances due to possibility of blackmail.
By the way, it is not fully clear how this fighting corruption was good business. On one hand, we do want to have clean countries. On the other hand, Ukrainians just got rid of pro-Soviet president and needed, and still need, all the help they can get. Their President said at Munich that even now, emergency help they get is tied to corruption benchmarks. Biden’s people are as full of “theories” that blind them to reality as Germans – who just now are starting to reconsider their gas supplies – as Trump told them repeatedly.
midwesterner +1
Always Ask: I appreciate your points and perspective Tough I may not agree with them I firmly believe that political dialogue and discourse entails listening and considering opinions other than one’s own.
Sadly much of what passes for political discourse today is just juvenile and petty. YWN would do better featuring the views of posters on this thread than what currently passes for oped and “news”.
That being said I believe that Trump’s comments calling Putin a genius on the day he invades a sovereign nation and The House GOP mocking Biden immediately after he addressed the nation in a time of crisis is way out of bounds and shows that Trump and his acolytes in Congress are unfit to serve this great country.
Crazy,
Brainless Biden, self-hating Jew Sanders and the anti-Semitic Squad are fit to serve this great country?
Crazy, if I could get a dollar for every time I read an outrageous quote from trump and found out that it was a misquote or out of context or a joke, I’ll be rich like Hunter. So forgive me I am not going to double check this one. And you could spend your energy instead by calling your democratic senator to demand full sanctions on the aggressor instead of every second Russian bank. Pity that Churchill didn’t think about sanctions on Germans instead of declaring a war…
To OP, did you take into consideration that Russia didn’t bomb the Ukraine during the Trump era?
Remember thanks to the Ukraine debacle, Trump and all his adherents are now Russian sympathizers and should be canceled.
This is going to get way worse before it gets better.
Trump withheld money to get dirt on Biden. Obama gave Ukraine Pillows and blankets in 2014 during crimea, Trump gave actual weapons.
Also why does America have to give all it’s money to every random country.
Where is France, Germany, Canada, England, Sweden ect?
If anything trump would be working hard to stop the fighting, to show off what a great dealmaker he is.
also he forgets to mention hannity called for putin to be assassinated and so did levin.
I don’t have to defend every random person on tv that calls himself a republican, because I stand for ideas not people.
I have a simple solution to all the worlds problems every legitimate democracy in the world should have UN type of place together and stand committed to promote democracy, and fund wars like this basically like a global NATO.
Isolate the bad actors and weaken them until they crumble.
A couple of examples no gas from russia, no more products from China.
Athletes Kneeling for social justice wearing uniforms made by chinese slaves.There he goes again, charlie hall peddling democrat lies about Donald trump as truth.
And conveniently ignoring how Trump is the only president of the 21st century to prevent Russians agression.
The spin must go on.
What else is new.
There are now articles in the media explaining away why Putin did not attack during Trump time – because, allegedly, Trump was doing what P wanted, such as weakening NATO. Some wording was really hard to come up – T _inadvertently_ (sic!) strengthened NATO (demanding they increase congtributions or else). The fact of such articles is a siman that everyone is asking the question. In truth, we can’t fully rely on such information – dictators do what they decide and they may choose to strike or undermine a US president whenever they want. Much easier to look at specific actions a President did. Most of anti-T articles rely on statements and pictures – he said this and called for that. I feel for those who read this propaganda daily, their heads are becoming soft and ready to be also infected by Russian propaganda that uses similar methods, Ch’V.
Aaq
The fact is it’s a valid question. To which I haven’t seen a decent answer
I would posit that Putin felt that Trump respected his security concerns and was not going veiter with NATO expansion into Ukraine so no need to do anything.
Agav, this is why you had so much Ukrainian involvement in getting trump impeached. From Russia gate, that Vindman creep , crowdstrike, to zelensky himself being involved in the first impeachment.
By1212, again, this is pure speculation, each side can put their own explanation. If Putin were to think that Trump is weak, he would surely use it to advance somewhere. Why wait for a strong President with 40 years of experience who will unite all allies around him? Given how much Russians tried to affect US elections (going back to at least Reagan), they would surely use their electoral luck. Why meddle then? At worst, they could have attacked after election results were published. would you say that Putin was waiting for Pence to de-certify the results?
the only plausible locations where Putin advanced was Syria and it is not clear how we could have stopped him after he was there already. Case can be made that we limited his advances. note that there were reports that Russian heavily rotated unites in Syria, giving their forces a chance to practice modern warfare – mostly bombing cities. So that was preparation for UKR. As they didn’t include tanks there, this may explain why many of them are standing on the highways.
I don’t think Zelensky actively pursued anti-T policies. He was desperately trying to avoid getting involved on either side of US politics.
Asinine take to suggest that Ukraine is better off with Biden as President than Trump. The only thing idiots like the forum poster can point to is Donald Trump’s words whereas his actual actions on the world stage kept ruthless dictators like Putin in check. Biden’s action in Afghanistan and his inaction in keeping Russia in check led to Ukraine being invaded (not to mention his action in gutting the energy development of America making us rely on Russian oil) and his inaction WILL lead to Taiwan being invaded.
Morons like this poster are the reason why democracy isn’t the Torah way because there are a lot of idiots that still think Biden is doing a better job than Trump was, and they shouldn’t be able to have a say in who leads
Resident > democracy isnât the Torah way
while I agree with your other points, I think Shmuel alef strongly disagrees with you warning people not to abandon freedom and democracy in favor of a king.
RM: U.S. is not currently “reliant on Russian oil”, nor are we likely to be in the forseeable future. We currently do not import a single barrel of Russian oil and the last Russian LNG tanker left the Boston harbor terminal 19 months ago. Instead of calling other posters “idiots”, please review the EIA data for the past several years. U.S. oil/gas production (primarily Marcellus shale) declined sharply beginning in mid-2020 as a result of declining demand from Covid-related shutdowns. Prior over-investment had pushed down prices to a point where the major E&P companies were not willing to invest in new production until prices increased. With declining cap-X costs, their profits the past two years have hit all-time highs and they are not anxious to revert to pre-Covid margins. Deptartment of Interior data (on their website) show that the E&P companies are sitting on litterally tens of millions of acres of leases where they could start drilling tomorrow if they wished. The Keystone pipeline would have imported crude from the Alberta tar sands NOT U.S. production. The global market in petroleum and refined products is fungible. Even if we stopped buying Russian oil, which we currently don’t, someone else would and we would simply displace those purchases with other supplies from the North Sea and Middle East.
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