May 24, 2020 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1864006
Are people pushing to reopen early ignoring the safety of others? Reopening NYC means that infected people will be on the trains bringing us back to square one. Safety before profit.May 24, 2020 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #1864177
Should everything remain closed for the next two years, if it takes two years to develop and produce a vaccine?
It may take that long for a vaccine. It is also a realistic possibility that no vaccine will be found altogether.May 24, 2020 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #1864182
Its not a binary decision. You can gradually reopen w/o waiting 2 years for a vaccine. Putting aside that Reb Yosef’s hero (the Trumpkopfer rebbe) has told us the vaccine will be available to everyone by the end of the year, The New York area has experienced roughly 25,000 to 30,000 deaths in the past 2 months out of a national total of about 96,000 so it would make sense we are going to be slower and more prudent about reopening. Cuomo is moving slowing after some really bad decisions back in March. The nightly hespedim here on YWN have been painful beyond belief. Clearly , you believe the economic pain should take priority over the niftarim. Some of us respectfully disagree with your priorities.May 24, 2020 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #1864203
Who are you referring to? I only asked a question; I didn’t make a statement.May 24, 2020 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1864210🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
1- not all of them. I would love to stay home, i love not having carpool or homework, i love having my boys in plain sight. But i think your question is off. We can’t go back to square one because too many people have already been sick, too much new information has been acquired regarding what to look for in a patient, and hopefully the high risk people are self aware enough not to join the fray.
I think the kids need to go back to school, even though i prefer they don’t, but they are unfortunately unlearning to focus for long periods, unlearning to get up before 8:30, unlearning how to appear in the presence of a rebbe or morah for hours at a time (unlearning how to tolerate wearing shoes). I’d like to pretend it’s not happening but it is, and i will have to break my nature to hand them all back to ‘normalcy’ because it’s in their best interests as ovdei Hashem. Not for finances, politics or money, just to keep the yetzer horah from injecting another dose of apathy into those sheltered in place.May 24, 2020 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #1864209
I missed the question mark?? So take my comment (minus the rhetorical reference to POTUS) as a response to your question. As noted, stupid decisions all around back in March that cost lives and now mean it will take a bit longer to reopen NY metro area safely. Too bad this has so quickly deteriorated into another facet of the toxicity of our politics and culture wars.May 24, 2020 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1864207🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
“Clearly , you believe the economic pain should take priority over the niftarim.”
You made that up. It’s an outright lieMay 24, 2020 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #1864230
If there’s a health crisis for 2 years then we should adhere to protocol for 2 years.May 24, 2020 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1864233
Syag: It all depends on how much you value a life placed at risk by accelerating the opening faster than the public health experts recommend. I have no problem with Montana or West Virginia moving quickly to reopen whatever segments of their economy remain closed. To me, the political and economic pressure to reopen NYC before the public health experts agree that its safe is reckless. The economic pain is real and gets worse every day but so was the reality of trucks line up outside the hospitals and funeral homes to hold the overflow of bodies just a month ago. Call it a “lie” if you want, but a slower reopening seems more prudent and should outweigh economic considerations.May 24, 2020 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1864245
“If there’s a health crisis for 2 years then we should adhere to protocol for 2 years.”
1: What if no vaccine is ever developed; should we keep the schools and businesses closed permanently?May 24, 2020 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1864251Jersey JewParticipant
People need to work. Far too many people have fallen into poverty over the last 2 months, mostly because of the auntness of Governor Cuomo and Mayor deBlasio. It can hopefully be done.
If you are afraid, don’t ride the subway. Take an ubet.May 24, 2020 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1864271DovidBTParticipant
Without flour there is no Torah.May 24, 2020 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #1864270
There are other options besides vaccines. Zika left Miami without any vaccine. Nothing per se has to be shut, but we all have to cope.
Does anyone think that if they will not get sick, but someone else gets very sick from it they can do it?May 24, 2020 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm #1864286
People can work online.May 24, 2020 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm #1864278SchnitzelBigotParticipant
What ever happened to todays(Sunday) ReOpen NY attempt? Did the organizers consider it a success? The sherrifs just closed every store that was opened and it didn’t look like they accomplished much.May 24, 2020 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1864294DovidBTParticipant
People can work online.
Less than 30% of people can work online.May 25, 2020 12:07 am at 12:07 am #1864298
Schnitzel: Lots of shops shut down today in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan. Notwithstanding, the opinions expressed by some in the tziur, the Sherriff’s closings were spread across both yiddeshe and goiyeshe owned small business and there was little evidence of some anti-Semitic tirade by the Mayor. The officers were doing their job and enforcing the rules. Some did stay open without any problems while others were closed for the day. I suspect that Cuomo and the Mayor have gotten the message and will begin relaxing the rules later this week for all small stores, subject to the same rules the big stores had to follow regarding percentage occupancy, social distancing, masks etc.May 25, 2020 12:42 am at 12:42 am #1864302
The frum stores do not want to miss the Shavuos season.May 25, 2020 12:42 am at 12:42 am #1864305RavaParticipant
Its time to face the fact nyc has heard immunity alreadyMay 25, 2020 12:48 am at 12:48 am #1864316
Rava falseMay 25, 2020 12:49 am at 12:49 am #1864308
Last month: “If groceries could be open, than shuls can be open.”
This month: “Every store should start selling groceries.”May 25, 2020 11:39 am at 11:39 am #1864444
We just do not know. It sounds better to me to say that we received our oinesh and are doing teshuvah. Unverified medical opinions sound very silly to me after the last three months.
1)This is not the measles. After multiple waves there could still be a solid percentage that never gets it.
2)Herd immunity is far more effective on viruses that are out of the community. Corona has to leave for a bit, for it to be a real factor.
3)Covid-19 is not the direct work of the virus. The fact that people have antibodies will not mitigate the factors for those that do not. A weakened strain of coronavirus may just as lethal.May 25, 2020 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #1864486Amil ZolaParticipant
Small business owners should be protesting against the govt that gave Covid $$ to billion dollar corporations rather than the businesses on main street. Heck they were willing to bail out cruise lines which aren’t American companies.
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