Replacement idiom for "when the fat lady sings"

why change it?

What part of the expression is not tznius?

Vann der groysse macher zogt az der sach iz fahrtigt.

It ain’t over till the last amen

It Ain’t over till you drink the fourth cup

1.Maybe she only sings for women and girls.

2. Shouldn’t it be “until she says Aleinu” (unfortunately, in some shuls this is tefillat haderech).

I think the origin of that expression is more objectionable than only tznius.

Many operas (who frequently have “fat ladies”, women who need to have the capacity to project to a huge opera house) are not often concluded by a “fat woman” singing.

Mozart and Rossini usually have a chorus or ensemble.

Verdi and Puccini frequently have duets.

Donizetti has a variety.

The type of opera that almost always is sung by a large woman because the orchestra is so large is Wagnerian opera.

About “being over”, the length of Wagner’s operas are always excessively long, so one would ask, “When is it going to be over(finally)?”

Wagner, has a preoccupation with women, especially in “Tristan und Isolde”, where I believe this expression came from, and the final scene has the “fat lady” singing until she dies.

So I think that, definitely, frum Yidden shouldn’t use this term.

There are some cute suggestions here, but if one wants to continue in the music mode of the original, one could say “till the cymbals clash and the timpani roll.”(Just got thru listening to Mahler.) 🙂

How about this:

Eppes Lechoyra

there’s no maskana

till the Groise Rebetzin

is causing the Oilam to be nizher not to be nichshol in Kol Isha.

You can tell this is a Yeshivish group.

Most have no understanding that most classical European opera ended with a fat female soprano singing over the body of the slain hero…etc.

It ain’t over till the food truck pulls away

I watch my wife. When awaiting warm brownies, my interest is engaged.

it aint over till after havdala

Idioms don’t have to make sense. So since this is a made up idiom, it doesn’t even have to have a sensible origin:

The carrots speak seven times.

It ain’t over til they break the glass.

Personally, I think that the real problem with the original is that it is so insulting and insensitive to women who are overweight. How about, “It ain’t over until the individual who happens to be female – but every bit an equal to a male – with a BMI index of 39 emits sounds that are pleasing to her, and keep your own opinion if you disagree to yourself!”

It ain’t over ’till the seventh Hakafah.

It ain’t over till the holographic projection of the female cannibal hot gefahrtig alle der cholent.

Is it mutar to listen to kol isha?

– You’re not oyver till the fat lady sings

its not over till the zaftig frau gives a geshrei

It’s no over until we sing chad gadya

why do we want to replace the fat lady?

Thanks for the info. I better tell my wife to skip the local beis yackov production this year.

Singing ladies aren’t tznius

Not true. You may not be able to listen to them, but they are free to sing in places where there is a reasonable expectation that men will not hear them.

The Wolf