Replacement idiom for "when the fat lady sings"

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    Joseph
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    What would be a more tznius-appropriate replacement idiom for the colloquial expression of “It ain’t over till the fat lady sings”?

    #1134821

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    why change it?

    #1134822

    someone’s bored…

    #1134823

    Joseph
    Participant

    Singing ladies aren’t tznius.

    #1134824

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    how about “it aint over till it’s over”

    #1134825

    lesschumras
    Participant

    What part of the expression is not tznius?

    #1134826

    showjoe
    Participant

    ???

    i have heard people say “it aint over till its over”

    crude, but it gets the job done

    #1134827

    pcoz
    Member

    Vann der groysse macher zogt az der sach iz fahrtigt.

    #1134828

    feivel
    Participant

    It ain’t over till the shofar blows

    #1134829

    feivel
    Participant

    It ain’t over till the last amen

    #1134830

    feivel
    Participant

    It ain’t over till the stars come out

    #1134831

    sushibagel
    Member

    It Ain’t over till you drink the fourth cup

    #1134832

    pcoz
    Member

    It ain’t over till der alter Zeida davent pessukei de’zimrah.

    #1134833

    Avi K
    Participant

    1.Maybe she only sings for women and girls.

    2. Shouldn’t it be “until she says Aleinu” (unfortunately, in some shuls this is tefillat haderech).

    #1134834

    Chortkov
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    #1134835

    tirtza
    Participant

    I think the origin of that expression is more objectionable than only tznius.

    Many operas (who frequently have “fat ladies”, women who need to have the capacity to project to a huge opera house) are not often concluded by a “fat woman” singing.

    Mozart and Rossini usually have a chorus or ensemble.

    Verdi and Puccini frequently have duets.

    Donizetti has a variety.

    The type of opera that almost always is sung by a large woman because the orchestra is so large is Wagnerian opera.

    About “being over”, the length of Wagner’s operas are always excessively long, so one would ask, “When is it going to be over(finally)?”

    Wagner, has a preoccupation with women, especially in “Tristan und Isolde”, where I believe this expression came from, and the final scene has the “fat lady” singing until she dies.

    So I think that, definitely, frum Yidden shouldn’t use this term.

    There are some cute suggestions here, but if one wants to continue in the music mode of the original, one could say “till the cymbals clash and the timpani roll.”(Just got thru listening to Mahler.) 🙂

    #1134836

    akuperma
    Participant

    The cliche’s meaning would be lost on most Orthodox Jews since we rarely go to opera. An equivalent tha tmight be more familiar (since it can be traced to a former manager and players for both New York ball teams) is “it ain’t over till it’s over”.

    #1134837

    YesOrNo
    Participant

    How about this:

    Eppes Lechoyra

    there’s no maskana

    till the Groise Rebetzin

    is causing the Oilam to be nizher not to be nichshol in Kol Isha.

    #1134838

    goofus
    Participant

    It aint over till the mourners say kaddish.

    #1134839

    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    You can tell this is a Yeshivish group.

    Most have no understanding that most classical European opera ended with a fat female soprano singing over the body of the slain hero…etc.

    #1134840

    feivel
    Participant

    It ain’t over till the toothpick is dry

    #1134841

    Chacham
    Participant

    It ain’t over till the food truck pulls away

    #1134842

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    “It ain’t over till the toothpick is dry “

    feivel – i didnt know you had a domestic side to you.

    #1134843

    feivel
    Participant

    I watch my wife. When awaiting warm brownies, my interest is engaged.

    #1134844

    Health
    Participant

    How about – “It ain’t over – till Joe gets his post in!”

    #1134845

    uncle tj
    Member

    it aint over till after havdala

    #1134846

    tirtza
    Participant

    CTLAWYER,

    see my post, it’s not “most” but particularly one composer.

    #1134847

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Idioms don’t have to make sense. So since this is a made up idiom, it doesn’t even have to have a sensible origin:

    The carrots speak seven times.

    #1134848

    GoGoGo
    Participant

    Just put it this way:

    “I don’t know, but if the fat lady sings I’m OUTTA HERE.” And I mean, totally out Just RUNNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG away.

    #1134849

    golfer
    Participant

    It ain’t over til they break the glass.

    #1134850

    nishtdayngesheft
    Participant

    Ven de grubbe bubbe git a prubeh

    #1134851

    mobico
    Participant

    Personally, I think that the real problem with the original is that it is so insulting and insensitive to women who are overweight. How about, “It ain’t over until the individual who happens to be female – but every bit an equal to a male – with a BMI index of 39 emits sounds that are pleasing to her, and keep your own opinion if you disagree to yourself!”

    #1134852

    mobico
    Participant

    Or how about, “It ain’t over until Iran has the bomb”?

    #1134853

    mobico
    Participant

    It ain’t over ’till the seventh Hakafah.

    #1134854

    mobico
    Participant

    It ain’t over ’till Rosh Hashanah.

    #1134855

    pcoz
    Member

    It ain’t over till the holographic projection of the female cannibal hot gefahrtig alle der cholent.

    #1134856

    Hashemisreading
    Participant

    it aint over until Rebyidd has the last word.

    #1134857

    Is it mutar to listen to kol isha?

    – You’re not oyver till the fat lady sings

    #1134858

    oomis
    Participant

    It ain’t over til it’s over, originated with Yogi Berra, I thought. He was known for skewering expressions.

    #1134859

    mewho
    Participant

    its not over till the zaftig frau gives a geshrei

    #1134860

    mewho
    Participant

    its not over till the chick stops clucking

    #1134861

    funnybone
    Participant

    It’s no over until we sing chad gadya

    #1134862

    funnybone
    Participant

    It’s not over until we say hadran alach shas

    #1134863

    apushatayid
    Participant

    why do we want to replace the fat lady?

    #1134864

    Joseph
    Participant

    why do we want to replace the fat lady?

    See my second post on top.

    #1134865

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Thanks for the info. I better tell my wife to skip the local beis yackov production this year.

    #1134866

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    Are they fat?

    #1134867

    Joseph
    Participant

    They have an opera?

    #1134868

    apushatayid
    Participant

    good questions. ill have to call the school to find out.

    #1134869

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Singing ladies aren’t tznius

    Not true. You may not be able to listen to them, but they are free to sing in places where there is a reasonable expectation that men will not hear them.

    The Wolf

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