March 21, 2017 8:00 pm at 8:00 pm #1241187
iacisrmma, Just regarding the picture you mentioned. Are you sure it’s that way round? I would think Rav Schwab would have stood, as per the aschkenaz minhag, and Reb Sholom would have sat.March 21, 2017 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm #1241246SholomBenYosefParticipant
I’m relying on Rav Moshe’s psak. My father is a chabad BT. I did go to Lubavitcher yeshivas but honestly, as much as I love chassidus I disagree with the modern trajectory of chabad AND I feel like the Mesorah of Geonei Ashkenaz is more reliable in terms of halacha than the modern day expression of the Alter Rebbe’s psak.
Not to disparage the Alter Rebbe, but surely the Rashi/Rosh/MahaRam etc knew what they were talking about…so I don’t feel like I need to strictly hold of the Baal haTanyaMarch 21, 2017 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1241262iacisrmmaParticipant
G613: I am looking for the picture but I am sure it is RavShwab sitting.March 22, 2017 8:29 am at 8:29 am #1241441
SholomBenYosef, just to address your original question together with additional info you’ve given us. I know of many Lubavitchers, including one choshuve Rosh Yeshiva in a big community, who have dropped their connection with the official 770 Chabad chassidus but still retain their Lubavitch identity, minhagim and Nusach Ari. I don’t know where you are in the world, but there are places where these yieden have opened up batei medrash and all that goes with it.
You don’t need to be come a Harry (I hate that term! 🙁 ) you can stay as a Sholom (are you Sholom Ber?), but maybe it is hakoras hatov to the derech of the Rebbes of Chabad who brought your family back into yiddishkeit. Obviously, I don’t know your background so this may be inappropriate and I apologise if I have offended you.March 22, 2017 10:56 am at 10:56 am #1241614JosephParticipant
There are Chabad Malachim in Williamsburg.March 22, 2017 11:02 am at 11:02 am #12416175ishParticipant
SBM You must be a GAON ATZUM If you are knowledgeable enough to disagree with the modern expression of the psak of the Baal Hatanya and have a nuanced understanding of the Rishonim to disagree with him in favor of the “Geoni Ashkenaz” in their interpretation!March 22, 2017 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1241616ubiquitinParticipant
Thanks for providing details. Obviously my general post doesnt necessarily apply to your case (in spite of some forced conclusions drawn by others) You arent really discussing abandoning your family’s mesora, rather are discussing abandoning one adopted by your father.
Though I would like to point out in regards to “but surely the Rashi/Rosh/MahaRam etc knew what they were talking about… ”
Of course they do! However they often argue so how do you decide whom to follow? Which is why MEsora is so important if people are free to choose any conclusion they want based on their own research /whim much of yidishkeit falls apartMarch 22, 2017 11:55 am at 11:55 am #1241644–Participant
(maybe standing for havdalah?)
The story I heard about Rav Yakov Kaminecki is that he was giving a class explaining the reasoning behind each minhag. When asked by a student what he does, he responded with “what my father did”.
What happened to my signature line?March 22, 2017 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm #1241755
Your signature line? What happened to your username?
Wasn’t it R’ Yaakov who had a minhag from his grandmother not to eat cheese on Friday?March 22, 2017 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1241906iacisrmmaParticipant
g..613: That was R’ Yaakov’s minhag but I am not sure who he attributed it to. As the story goes, he was Matter Neder on the first day of shavuous (which was Erev Shabbos) after his second marriage as the Rebbetzin made milchigs for kiddush. He told his talmidim that he did not want her to be upset and it was better that he be matter neder for that day. He reaccepted his minhag after that.March 22, 2017 3:47 pm at 3:47 pm #1241918MenoParticipant
Your signature line? What happened to your username?
Wasn’t it R’ Yaakov who had a minhag from his grandmother not to eat cheese on Friday?
I read this post and I thought to myself, “What kind of username is ‘R’ Yaakov who had a minhag from his grandmother not to eat cheese on Friday’?”March 22, 2017 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1242227Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
lolMarch 22, 2017 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #1242264lakewhutParticipant
This isn’t even a controversy. Someone in your family broke off from your tradition. It’s not reverting; it’s restoring your tradition. Go for it. More people should follow in your footsteps. Nusach Sefard shouldn’t be a monopoly.March 22, 2017 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #1242269
iacisrmma, Yes that’s the story I heard. Apparently the reason for the minhag, goes back to the old type of cheese that people waited 6 hours for. If you had that type of cheese on Friday, you couldn’t have meat at the Shabbos seuda.
Btw, I like how you shorten the name to G613, it’s kind of cool.March 22, 2017 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1242300Lilmod UlelamaidParticipant
That’s interesting, Geordie, because I just came across that story this week as I was Pesach cleaning (it was on some pages that hadn’t gotten ripped out of R’ Yaakov zatsal’s biography), and I’m pretty sure it said that he didn’t know the reason for the minhag. If I come across it again, I’ll double check.
I found it interesting that on the one hand it was so important to him to keep minhagim that he kept it even without knowing the reason and even though it came from his grandmother (as opposed to father or grandfather) and on the other hand, he gave it up (at least temporarily) so spare his wife’s feelings.
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