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October 2, 2011 12:31 am at 12:31 am #599680happiestMember
On the main page of ywn they are reporting 3 deaths over r”h. What does this mean?!?!? Rosh hashana, the first days of the new year. I don’t get it. Why did GD wait til the first 2 days of the new year to take these peoples neshamos? I might sound like an apikorus asking such questions and if you’d like to say that I am one then I understand but I am asking these questions out of the pain and not understanding of seeing three people die over this holy yuntif.
October 2, 2011 1:28 am at 1:28 am #813785am yisrael chaiParticipanthappiest,
You ask us Hashem’s plans why He took 3 neshamos back to Him.
I’ll speak for myself: Hashem hasn’t conferred with me the reason for His plans. And Hashem can call people back to give them the answer directly, but this is not the ideal either!
It’s back to Trust. We TRUST Hashem to do what is the best for us.
Two of the people who were niftar were 101 and 102 years old. Is it possible that Hashem wanted them to complete the whole year and therefore waited for them till a new year began?
You are NO apikorus for asking questions when you are trying to determine the answers. The idea is to keep going and trusting till you receive your answers or even when you don’t.
October 2, 2011 1:36 am at 1:36 am #813786PrincessEagleMemberHappiest, i’m sure you’ll have the other saying something . i just wanted to tell you that there is NOTHING WRONG with asking (unless you were just saying that as acknowledging other posters who may say there is?) .
The point is that we can question but we cannot doubt. Even Moshe Rabanu questioned G-d’s ways! We just have to open our eyes to see how good and kind g-d is and than we can have faith.
Also note the ages of 2 of the 3. We’re all going to die one day, they lived a long life. May we all too!
October 2, 2011 1:38 am at 1:38 am #813787PrincessEagleMemberi see ayc just posted too – that’s somebody good to reply to you 😉
October 2, 2011 1:44 am at 1:44 am #813788WolfishMusingsParticipantI might sound like an apikorus asking such questions
Speaking as the resident apikorus, I can tell you that you are not one for asking why people die on particular dates.
The Wolf
October 2, 2011 3:24 am at 3:24 am #813789ronrsrMemberthere is an anecdotal “Passover Effect” where death rates for the elderly and terminally ill seem to fall before significant holidays and people’s own birthdays, then rise as the holidays end.
portion of article from the Jewish Weekly:
“A desire to participate in Passover can prolong a person’s life, according to a professor of sociology at U, David Phillips believes that older people can, in effect, postpone death in order to participate in an important occasion — be
In an 18-year research project, Phillips studied the mortality rates of nearly 2,000 Californian Jews.
He found that the death rate dipped 35 percent below normal in the week before Passover and peaked by an equal percentage above normal in the week following the holiday. The study was published in the Lancet, a prestigious British medical journal.
“It is my hypothesis that those nearing death may feel that an extended family gathering at Passover offers the chance of saying hello and goodbye for the last time,” says Phillips.”
October 2, 2011 3:34 am at 3:34 am #813790GumBallMemberIM SCARED!! :,(
October 2, 2011 4:10 am at 4:10 am #813791mommamia22ParticipantDoes anyone else notice that there have been a tremendous amount of petiras of rabbonim in the last few months, r’l??
October 2, 2011 6:03 am at 6:03 am #813792popa_bar_abbaParticipant2 of the deaths were over 100 years old. That is very old. I am not even that old.
October 2, 2011 8:02 am at 8:02 am #813793aries2756ParticipantHappiest, do you remember the davening? Mi Yamut? Mi b’kitzo? Who will die, in their time? It is only by the grace of Hashem that he blessed these Holy Neshomos with such amazing arichas yomim to begin with. Of course they deserved it, but who is to say that others don’t. It is ONLY Hashem who decides who will reach such an amazing age, who will die in “their time” and who will die when it is not in their time or b’derech ha’tevah.
If Hashem decides that now is the time, or at this time I will teach my Holy people what it means to die b’derech hatevah at one’s appropriate time, then who are we to question that? Boruch Dayan Emes! We were fortunate to have these amazing Tzadikim and role models in our generation. Let us ONLY hear news that old people have passed b’zmaneyhem b’derech hatevah, from old age after living full and happy lives fulfilling their tafkidim here on this world to go on to reap the rewards in the world to come.
Happiest, dying is part of the cycle of life. No one lives forever. But when we hear about people who die past 100 years, we have to be happy even in sadness. This is still b’derech hatevah. It is a natural thing and it is not a tragedy it is normal. They have earned their Olam Habah and they move on to the next phase.
As a young person going to shul with my mom a”h, I would sit upstairs in the ezras noshim and ask her why the older women her age were all crying during davening. Now I am one of those women that are crying during davening.When we daven Rosh Hashana and we say “Mi b’mayim, Mi b’esh, etc.” People my age have lost loved ones and acquaintances and have read of tragedies like this past summer, or the young bochur who was washed off the shore in Australia just a few years back who lived in my neighborhood. These words have so much more meaning to us now. So when I saw the news about the petiras I said BDE, and I thought it is sad for us, but how amazing, what a life they had, what an impact they made, what a bracha to die at the right time from natural causes and how they earned their Olam Habah.
It is all in the way you look at things, the camera’s eye or angle, the perspective you are coming from. Be happy sweet girl, you have a long and healthy life ahead of you. G’mar Chasima Tova!
October 2, 2011 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #813794HealthParticipantAries – This is definitely B’kitzo. May we all be Zocheh to die B’kitzo!
October 2, 2011 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #813795am yisrael chaiParticipantaries
+1
October 2, 2011 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #813796happiestMemberYou’re right. 2 of the 3 people I was talking about were in their 100’s but fact is they died either on r”h or right after. This is the part that scared me.
Also, aries- it always freaks me out when we say in davening who will die by fire and we can name someone we know personally who did, or who will die by water and know that boy from the 5towns. It is terrifying that we really can put names to these things. Either I never really paid attention til a coupla years ago or it didn’t happen til a coupla years ago that we were able to do this. Like I feel like it proves my point a little more a/ the world coming to an end.(Or that I feel like it is anyway)
October 2, 2011 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #813797am yisrael chaiParticipanthappiest
As we grow older, we become more aware of the realities of life. A -year old may not think twice about running across the street after his ball..You will.
A key to happiness is just accepting it without fighting it, since the reality is that this won’t change till the Next World…
October 2, 2011 8:22 pm at 8:22 pm #813798ilovetheholylandParticipantsomeone that i knew died last year on yom kippur after a long illness. he was not so old. and i remember thinking the same thing. why today? like, when did hashem decide this? the few hours into this year? i dont have any answers but all the speakers by this mans levaya were saying what a big thing it was that he was niftar on yom kippur. i think it means that people who are taken on these special days are supposed to be really special people.
October 2, 2011 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #813799aries2756ParticipantHappiest, what it proves is that Hashem is in charge.
October 3, 2011 12:25 am at 12:25 am #813800happiestMemberI guess my faith or belief is just not strong enough. Something I have to work on this year…
October 3, 2011 1:36 am at 1:36 am #813801mustangriderMemberhappiest, i can relate to what you are saying completely. whith everything thats going on in the world around us recently, i am terrrified!!! how many gedolim left the world this year? how many countries are swearing to destroy Israel and all the Jews? How may tragic acceddets occured recently? anyone still remember the family in Itamar? or how about the boy who was killed in a fire on succot? is the world becoming a scarier place or is it just me getting older and noticing its dangers? a few years ago i thought disease was only one in a million, today its hitting very close to home. i feal a dread as though the end is coming. but the end of what, i have no idea. am i even making sence to anyone?
October 3, 2011 3:55 am at 3:55 am #813802am yisrael chaiParticipantmr
Yes, you are making complete sense.
As one gets older, one becomes more aware of the dangers in the world. Unfortunately, it’s a fact of life. Bitachon and emunah are infinitely valuable ways to navigate this murky terrain.
October 3, 2011 4:57 am at 4:57 am #813803ronrsrMemberhow many gedolim who left the world this year were blessed with long life into their 70s, 80s, 90s or B”H 100s?
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