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    bigkhuna
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    Since I am on the Do Not Call List is a Yeshiva or organization who calls me in violation of dinah da malchuscha dina?

    #1141727

    WHat number do you call to get put on the do not call list?

    #1141728
    Joseph
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    We’ve had this discussion several times here. The law exempts non-profits, religious organizations and political callers from the do not call list. Those types of calls can legally be made to people on the DNC list.

    #1141729
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
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    Bridgette from Card Services is in violation, though.

    #1141730
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    NO:

    4. What types of calls are not covered by the National Do Not Call Registry?

    The do not call provisions do not cover calls from political organizations, charities, telephone surveyors, or companies with which a consumer has an existing business relationship.

    This is from Federal Trade Commission National Do Not Call Registry website.

    So, if that Yeshiva or organization is a tax exempt charity, or you have an existing relationship: you’ve donated in the , you went to school there 40 years ago, etc. They can call you legally.

    This being a national election year, you may receive many annoying campaign calls…all legal.

    #1141731
    charliehall
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    “This being a national election year, you may receive many annoying campaign calls…all legal. “

    Fortunately I live in deep blue NY so neither side is going to make much of an effort here. I feel sorry for the people in Florida.

    #1141732
    yehudayona
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    I have received robocalls from a frum-owned furniture store. They are doubly illegal — not only to they ignore the Do Not Call list, they also don’t free the line when I hang up, which endangers me (suppose I had an emergency). I haven’t had a call from them lately, but then I no longer pick up calls from unrecognized caller IDs.

    #1141733
    Participant

    This being a national election year, you may receive many annoying campaign calls…all legal.

    That’s why I don’t provide my phone number when registering to vote.

    #1141734
    zahavasdad
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    They dont get your phone number from voting records

    they get it by dialing numbers in sequencial order

    555-1111

    555-1112

    555-1113

    etc

    #1141735
    apushatayid
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    they use autodialers. they pick an npa-nxx for example 718-338- and have the computer dial sequentially 718-338-0000, 718-338-0001, 0002, 0003 etc… the computers can do this rather quickly. If the number is invalid the computer can detect the network signaling that indicates that and eliminates it from the database. If the network signaling indicates a busy signal, ringing with no answer or the jackpot an answer these numbers are marked. Telemarketers who are covered by the DNC list are supposed to make sure they always have the most updated version of the list and that those numbers are loaded into their database as do not calls. Of course we know how that goes.

    #1141736
    Meno
    Participant

    “they also don’t free the line when I hang up”

    You mean if you hang up on them and then pick up your phone again you don’t get a dial tone?

    Didn’t know that was possible

    #1141737
    Joseph
    Participant

    That’s how landlines work on a POTS to POTS call.

    #1141738
    Participant

    They dont get your phone number from voting records

    they get it by dialing numbers in sequencial order

    No politician would do something that stupid. There are plenty of numbers that they don’t want to call.

    They could get my number from another source but those are expensive compared to voting records.

    #1141739
    Joseph
    Participant

    A large amount of political calls do in fact get made based on the phone number (some people) provided on their voter registration form, which is a public record and also associates party affiliation with the particular voter (and his phone number.)

    #1141740
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Serial dialing is actually very cheap, Its a computer not a person so you can serial dial thousands of numbers daily cheaply and quickly

    #1141741
    apushatayid
    Participant

    “No politician would do something that stupid.”

    You’d be surprised!

    As an aside, you think it is difficult to buy a “list” for telemarketing purposes? When I added a phone line in the house, and of course my very first call was from a Telemarketer, I played along and agreed to be put on their mailing list etc. and I used the name Abraham Lincoln. Mr. Lincoln gets at least a dozen calls a week.

    #1141742
    CTLAWYER
    Participant

    Joseph……..

    I’ve posted that I am an elected official in a Connecticut community. I ran this past November. We are able to get a list from the Registrar of voters that gives name, address, age, phone, party affiliation AND whether or not you voted in the past 3 elections for that office (in person or by absentee ballot).

    We use that information to target potential voters who actually vite, not just are registered.

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